1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
https://quokk.au/u/Deceptichum
2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
74 year community ban for ‘homophobia’
3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
here’s the exchange that resulted in the ban:
5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
I’m gay, trans, and an anarchist. I thought the post title was misogynistic, objectifying, and not a good example something that should be in a ‘queer friendly’ space.
Not everyone is okay with sexual degradation humor, misogynistic comments, etc, even if it’s about people you disagree with. Pointing that out in this case got me called a homophobic tankie and banned within minutes of making the post.
Ok y’all need to stop with the rage bait comments or I’m locking the thread. Discuss the mod actions only please
I feel like the mod was looking for an excuse here. I am not sure this is misogynistic per se, but definitely using a slur for “bottoms” (of any gender) to malign your ideological enemies is problematic and probably reinforcing patriarchy and toxic masculinity.
On the other hand people in here going all “of course I’m not surprised they’re sexist, since they’re anti-ML” is some weak kick-them-during-the-pile-on shit given how there’s hordes of patriarchy-lovingly homophobic Marxists (in fact I’d argue that’s most of them, comparatively)
hordes of patriarchy-lovingly homophobic Marxists
sadly I am familiar with the trope, mostly from other spaces than here though. plenty of ‘old guard’ Marxist parties irl do suck in that exact way for example.
that is why I don’t have much tolerance for ‘patriots’ of any affiliation and call shit out when I see it.
I mean, the guy is very vocal about virulently hating “tankies” and has horseshoe theory brain worms, which means that you’re a (“red”) fascist, which gives him license to boot you for just existing.
Hahaha ML chuds don’t boot people for existing?
Not really, no
Yes really, yes
Nope. I know you really want it to be true for rhetorical reasons, but if you actually go and look it just isn’t
PTB 100%. It’s not hard to see the association between being anti-misogyny and being pro-queer. It’s not conflating the two as being the same thing. Mod reasoning seems intentionally dishonest
PTB.
Entirely unsurprising for that mod in particular, they’ve equated communists to Nazis and said “tankie fucks deserve to get their heads bashed in.” Extremely aggressive 100% of the time whenever they encounter a Marxist, or even like in the OP an anarchist that happens to disagree with them.
I would argue it’s because you’re on lemmy.ml, and people who are obsessed with stuff like this think it really means something instead of being one of the more popular instances.
I’m a Marxist-Leninist, I say that openly. The target of the OP calls us “authies” and “tankies,” and seems to have an on-site hostility mindset when it comes to Marxists.
Stop flatting him.
PTB That mod needs a chill pill holyy
Lol, I love a good pearl clutch-off. ESH, but more PTB due to the ban.
What is misogynistic about the term cumrag and what do queer people have to do with that?
Still, the ban is a bit much.
PTB / BPR.
I personally don’t see the misogyny either. But maybe that’s just because I need it explained to me? At this point it seems like PTB, because the mod went from zero to permaban with no discussion over the point Diva was making.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumrag+
a rag or cloth used to wipe up excess ejaculation; a woman who enjoys being ejaculated upon; extremely easy woman; notoriously loose
#1) My girlfriend knows she’s just a cumrag and she’s cool with it.
#2) My cumrag gives me money so’s I stay home at night.
#3) I had to strangle that cumrag… she snorted all my meth.
I think your comment is pearl clutching and not homophobic (both you and the mod), but I also don’t think it warranted removal.
fwiw I wasn’t saying the mod was homophobic based on that comment.
I just thought that it was unnecessarily sexually degrading and misogynistic, thus not a good fit in a ‘queer friendly’ space
I don’t see how it’s misogynistic. Definitely sexually crude, but there’s nothing gendered about the insult, as compared to words like cunt or dickhead. Both men and women can use cumrags (or be used as one).
Wondering if this was a spin on the word comrade being close to cumrag as well.
my reading is that misogyny isn’t just about whether the target is female, and obviously on a surface read anyone can be a cumrag, or use one.
the use as an insult still relies on demeaning traits that our culture associates with women or femininity. gay men can still have internalized misogyny
Even though “cumrag” can apply across all genders, the primary meaning has been “a thing used to wipe up semen,” and “a person treated like a used-up sexual object.”
the people getting framed as:
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passive
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used
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disposable
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interchangeable
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something sex “happens” to
are women, femmes, and bottoms coded as feminine.
I can feel empowered by describing myself as a slut, cumrag, whatever, and use the term affectionately for others. however using those as insults on anyone I disagree with is still reproducing misogyny
I guess I’ve led a sheltered life, because the first definition is the only one I thought of initially. But since you’ve pointed it out I get the issue with it now. I was equating it in my head with something more like “asswipe” initially. But even without the misogyny aspect, the ban was still PTB.
In a similar vein, describing one person submitting or otherwise going along with what another wills as “dickriding” or other similar sexual act is also baked in misogyny and homophobia. The cultural shame levied against gay men, women in general, etc. is why it’s supposed to hurt to be called a dickrider for someone, rather than just a sycophant. Both are pejoratives, one relies on that cultural shame.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I don’t necessarily agree but I appreciate it nonetheless
This is some go go gadget arms level of reaching.
This is some ostrich-head-in-the-sand lack of awareness.
ostrich-head-in-the-sand
Yeah, in the sense that it’s a made up myth.
Misogyny is a made up myth, you’re right! Here let me highlight the important part for you, dummy.
misogyny isn’t just about whether the target is female
This is true. The effects are more than just on women.
I feel true pity for you. Please go away. Downvote first though!
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The ban was simple, you posted something disgustingly homophobic.
I already hate you red fash. That was the final straw, notice how no one other tankie fuck received the same punishment you did?
attention mods: calling this nerd a huge loser and an idiot isn’t “rage bait,” it’s me being rude to someone who deserves it, and your defense of them makes you huge losers as well
you can insult someone without using ableist terms.
for what it’s worth, I have absolutely no reason to like this guy and I still wouldn’t call him an ‘idiot’ because it’s an ableist term.
the mods are just trying to ensure that any
is somewhat on topic and not just people trading insultsYeahnah, this isn’t chapo hexbear.
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I’m an anarchist, my post was pointing out the misogyny I saw in your post title, literally using a quote block with a paraphrased version of your own post title to make it more obvious.
183·9 hours agoYou are a tankie (that’s what liberals call good leftist)
You are a tankie, hanging out in a tankie bar. Call yourself whatever the fuck you want but you hang out with genocide deniers, authoritarians, and red fash. You deserve zero respect if that’s your company.
There was no misogyny. But your implication that it was certainly homophobic by conflating the subjects. Hence you and only you getting banned. Zero tolerance for that shit, you understand?
Now go and share this on your Matrix room or whatever so the rest of you .ml fucks can come and brigade some more.
Now go and share this on your Matrix room or whatever so the rest of you .ml fucks can come and brigade some more.
If that’s a real thing, nobody’s invited me to it 😞
Same
genocide deniers
Which genocide? The uigher one that isn’t happening? cool story
He’ll take that belief to his grave because he needs it to be true.
This was shared in 0 matrix rooms as far as I know.
If you’re going to call me a tankie just because you don’t like the servers I post in, maybe I should be calling you a nazi for posting in the
commnazi bar loaded with cryptofash posters eager to be free of ‘degenerates’, calling myself and others degenerate roaches that they’re eager to be rid of.
Calling out a gay person posting a misogynistic thread title is not homophobia
The anticommunist hangs out with Nazis?
Unprecedented!
I’m calling you a tankie for being a member of a tankie instance.
You weaponised claims of homophobia to try to silence criticism of China/Russia. And to make it worse, you tried to conflate being queer with an insult.
as I said in another post here, I didn’t say you were being homophobic, that was your accusation.
I did not conflate being queer with an insult.
I was pointing out that your post title was misogynistic. Gay people can still be putting their internalized misogyny into the world, and I would hope a queer space would discourage that, rather than have it actively defended by moderation.
Ironically it is you who is using claims of homophobia to silence another gay person criticizing your behavior.
I didn’t say you said I was being homophobic.
I said you were conflating the word cumrag with lgqbt+ peoples, which is certainly a homophobic act.
If I simply wanted to silence the tankie fucks I wouldn’t have only banned you.
I said you were conflating the word cumrag with lgqbt+ peoples
I wasn’t though. I was pointing out that using cumrag as an insult broadly was not in line with being a ‘queer friendly’ instance, as it is overtly misogynistic.
You seemed intent on misreading it so you could slap ‘homophobic’ on another gay person calling your shitty behavior out.
I didn’t say you said I was being homophobic.
You weaponised claims of homophobia to try to silence criticism of China/Russia.
Which is it then?
Hello, I am a red fash brigadier! (Translation: this was on my home page and you seeing my instance name makes you angry)
Your FICO score has gone up by 4, brave defender of western civilization
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Looks like quite a few people here are having a problem seeing the homophobia in that comment. I could definitely use an explanation.
“Cumrag” isn’t a great term. I’ve heard it from strangers when walking down the street in immodest clothing, from guys I don’t want to date, and online when dudes I disagree with find out I’m a chick. I definitely associate it with misogyny, so I see Diva trying to gently inform that people might find it offensive.
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@Deceptichum@quokk.au is usually on the level, so I’m curious why they triggered a 74 year ban
Oh I’m sure someone who immediately resorts to “you disgusting piece of shit” is usually on the level.
Like, what the fuck? That’s an insane overreaction to someone pointing out that “cumrag” isn’t super friendly.
“Homophobia,” ok. Ban me from the silly meme community too, then.
I see many posts and comments by them, that aren’t just rage, so I’m inclined to not make a rash judgement.
And yet I blocked them months ago because of all of the insane rage spam. They might post other things but I can’t with the rage.
I clicked on the account and was like “oh hey that checks out.” So I looked from another account.
Literally the post we’re talking about has “cumrags” in the title.
Sorry, no thanks. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.
🤷 you’re entitled to your opinions, I’m entitled to my “this isn’t what I’m used to from that guy”
I’ve never once had an interaction with them that wasn’t them immediately attacking me or other users. I’ve never actually seen them act chill before.
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Yup, called it:
See, you’re doing it again, attacking communists on-sight and equating us to Nazis. I’ve tried to have conversations with you before, you just mock, bleat, whine, and then say you want to kill communists. Why would I try to genuinely answer your loaded questions yet again when I’ve already explained these to you before, and have been met with the same kind of mocking?
I wish anarchist instances would either declare a specific school of theory and vet their applicants, or else just accept that they’re normie instances.
To be fair, Marxist groups do this too. It’s just something that happens on the left, we aren’t immune to it.
I like communists, I hate tankies.
Being a communist does not mean you support Russia invading Ukraine, or China committing genocide.
And you can’t answer it in a way that others outside your cult will accept, so you won’t.
You hate every communist that supports communists and socialists in the real world, calling us all manner of names from “red fash” to “authie” to “tankie” to “Nazi.” The only communists that pass your arbitrary vibe check are the ones that are either short lived or never even got off the ground in the first place, in other words, “pure” communists untainted by the slander coming from Cold Warriors like yourself and devoid of meaningful struggle. You don’t want to acknowledge that you’re an anti-communist, so you try to pretend the group you call “red fash” isn’t the same group that has been fighting for the liberation of all oppressed peoples since Marx himself.
I’ve given my take on the Russo-Ukrainian war before. Here it is again:
Either way, the general Marxist take is that when Yanukovych was offered an IMF loan that required austerity policies and privatization of safety nets, and a Russian loan that did not come with the same restrictions, he went with the Russian loan and was couped for it, including a western-supported Banderite false-flag shooting. Following the western-supported coup, the areas in the Donbass region seceded, as they supported Yanukovych, are culturally and ethnically Russian, and were unhappy with the Banderites taking over the government under the cover of “democracy.” Said Banderites were also legally suppressing the Russian language in the Donbass region.
What ensued was a decade of fighting, 2 failed Minsk agreements that Kiev broke and admitted to never wanting to follow, and massive risk of NATO on Russia’s doorstep. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics requested Russian assistance, and Russia complied, sparking the next stage of the war.
Russia purely wants the Donbass region and NATO neutrality. They want the Donbass region not out of the kindness of their hearts, nor for plunder or further expansion, but because it’s a land bridge straight to Russia, the same route the Nazis took in World War II. NATO was building up because the West uses their millitary to threaten countries into opening up their economies to foreign plunder (like what’s happening right now in Venezuela), a tradition employed since NATO was founded, destroyed Yugoslavia and Libya, etc.
This is the common Marxist take, shared largely by PSL’s statement and FRSO’s statement. Essentially, the war is tragic, should end as quickly as possible, and was provoked by the west.
I’ve also explained my take on China and it’s treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang:
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists go to Xinjiang all the time. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.
Here are my answers to your rabid anti-communist Cold Warrior nonsense. Every time I respond to you, though, you’re incapable of actually answering, and instead either leave the thread or get banned for telling me or others that you want to kill them. I don’t expect this will be any different.
I think that says more about you than them.
That’s just how piefed handles permabans, always sets them to
75 yearsthe rest of the century (which since it’s almost 2026 that means 74 years until 2100) instead of how lemmy does it. I’m pretty sure every permaban on piefed will expire in 2100 lolah ok. the “choose a random number” method of infinity. I guess it would be more difficult to set up different types of ban, instead of just allowing the default for “permaban” to be “fuck it, if the MF ain’t dead by this time, they deserve to be back on this site”
Technically bad design, but it’s funny to force people to wait for a century to be unbanned + they deserve it if they somehow managed to survive that lol
