Summary:
Close allies of President Trump are asking a judge to give the White House control over much of the federal court system.
In a little-noticed lawsuit filed last week, the America First Legal Foundation sued Chief Justice John Roberts and the head of the Administrative Office of U.S. Courts.
The case ostensibly proceeds as a FOIA lawsuit, with the Trump-aligned group seeking access to judiciary records. But, in doing so, it asks the courts to cede massive power to the White House: the bodies that make court policy and manage the judiciary’s day-to-day operations should be considered independent agencies of the executive branch, the suit argues, giving the President, under the conservative legal movement’s theories, the power to appoint and dismiss people in key roles.
Multiple legal scholars and attorneys TPM spoke with reacted to the suit with a mixture of dismay, disdain and laughter. Though the core legal claim is invalid, they said, the suit seems to be a part of the fight that the administration launched and has continued to escalate against the courts over the past several months: ignoring a Supreme Court order to facilitate the return of a wrongly removed Salvadoran man, providing minimal notice to people subject to the Alien Enemies Act, flaunting an aggressive criminal case against a state court judge.
The executive branch has tried to encroach on the power of the judiciary in other ways too, prompting a degree of consternation and alarm unusual for the normally-staid Administrative Office of U.S. Courts. As TPM has documented, DOGE has already caused disorder at the courts and sent out mass emails to judges and other judiciary employees demanding a list of their recent accomplishments. Per one recent report in the New York Times, federal judges have expressed concern that Trump could direct the U.S. Marshals Service — an executive branch agency tasked with protecting judges and carrying out court orders — to withdraw protection.
These are all facets of an escalating campaign to erode the independence of the judiciary, experts told TPM. The lawsuit demonstrates another prong of it: close allies of the president are effectively asking the courts to rule that they should be managed by the White House.
“It’s like using an invalid legal claim to taunt the judiciary,” Anne Joseph O’Connell, a professor at Stanford University Law School, told TPM.
“To the extent this lawsuit has any value other than clickbait, maybe the underlying message is, we will let our imaginations run wild,” Peter M. Shane, a constitutional law scholar at NYU Law School, told TPM. “The Trump administration and the MAGA community will let our imaginations run wild in our attempts to figure out ways to make the life of the judiciary miserable, to the extent you push back against Trump.”
do you think Roberts will recuse himself
Didnt they try this already ? Didnt it fail ?
What’s scary is that there’s a nonzero chance that this actually works.
Roberts: The Framers would’ve absolutely hated this. Buuuuuut they didn’t write it down so ‘Approved’!
If I had a time machine, I’d probably go back, infiltrate the founding fathers, and write that all politicians have to become furries.
How about write in a rule that a convict can’t run as president. That should be the top one.
How about adding in that the president can’t take bribes from other countries? Maybe make a whole clause about it.
In that case you can just arrest and convict a political opponent of something stupid. Not a good idea
Charging and convicting are two very different efforts. And if they already has a conviction they are not a political appontent at the time of conviction.
I’d write in that they have to become monks.
Id add in no body in the role of the government is allowed to lie in their duties as a public servant.
Edit: but furries work too.
The USA is going down the same path as Venezuela at this point. Probably time to leave the USA if you can.
I’m staying and I’m fighting.
‘Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you – Ye are many – they are few.’
https://www.scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk/poem/the-masque-of-anarchy/
Fuck that, man. Stay and fight.
Have a passport (definitely apply for one today if you do not), have a plan, if shit really goes sideways then it’s every person for themselves and their family. But as hard as it might seem if you’ve grown up in a time of stability, we’ve been through way worse than this bullshit in this country, and we’ve usually come out of it stronger and wiser.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
“So do I,” said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Fight for… what? My fellow Americans? What do most of them stand for? Trump, fascism, deporting of citizens to foreign concentration camps, arresting judges, making everything more expensive with pointless tariffs, turning our allies against us, abandoning Ukraine and Palestine, destroying everyone’s retirement savings and crashing the global economy…
It wasn’t inevitable, we chose this. Maybe not specifically you or me, but as a country. 77 million people chose Trump and his chaos and hatred. Another 90 million eligible voters couldn’t be bothered to vote at all. If I didn’t have family/friends here, I would be looking at every way to GTFO right now…
Fight for… what? My fellow Americans?
Yes. Some of them don’t have the option. It’s either be here safe, or have ICE kick in their door and fuck them up. Some of them just want to do science. Some of them are wanting to turn the resources of the richest country in history to solving big problems like climate change. There are important things and people happening in the US that are worth defending. At least try.
The Trump people, you can fight to educate better and rescue from the economic circumstances that primed them up to line up behind fascism. Not for their sake, fuck 'em. But for the sake of everyone else who will be a victim once their confusion and violence becomes law.
we’ve been through way worse than this bullshit in this country, and we’ve usually come out of it stronger and wiser.
I’ve been wondering about that myself. What events are you specifically pointing toward? I think the Great Depression and immediate aftermath are pretty close cousins to our current level of public disinterest and economic risk, and the 1890s-1910s are pretty comparable to the current level of deregulation and regulatory capture, and the run-up to the first World War is pretty similar to our risk of armed conflict, and the Civil War isn’t too far off of our current level of political division…but have we ever had all of those things at once, plus a constitutional crisis?
People were getting born into slavery, live their whole lives working in the fields not knowing how to read, and there was a massive political and paramilitary fight over whether that was going to continue and how and where, which presaged the explicit military fight the whole country had about it.
Then we had the civil war.
Then we had the labor movement, people getting born basically into slavery again, and having paramilitary battles to fight for their right to simply live and exist and have some kind of voice in how their daily life was organized, and have some life outside of their slavery existence, instead of living on corporate fiefdoms obeying the owner of their company like a king.
Then we had segregation, poll taxes and voter literacy tests, police brutality, water cannons and tear gas and police dogs and lynching. When people talked about making lynching illegal it was a huge debate. Without lynching, what would we even do? To keep order?
Somehow, from that, we made it to today. People today can expect that they can vote, they can have newspapers or web sites that say whatever they want, they can be free of police public or private just coming around and fucking up their shit because they irritated someone powerful. (That last one is debatable in the modern day, but for 99.9% of people I would say that most of what I just said is still true.) But none of that happened because “constitution” or because “America.”
It happened because people fought and died to make it happen. Maybe it’s useful that there was a piece of paper somewhere that was giving them something to hope for when they wanted to give up, give an end goal in mind and remind them why it was important. They had something to talk about to other people about why they were doing it. But “the country” didn’t do shit to help them in that fight. They just had to go and do it.
I’m not at all trying to argue that things now are worse in general, for everyone than they’ve been during those time periods. I’m not even saying that it’s as bad as it could possibly be across every metric. I’m just wondering if we’ve ever had this cyclone of so many things all compounding at once. Even the stuff that you mentioned, each of which was awful, was at least more or less sequential. The Civil War didn’t happen during the Gilded Age, and the Great Depression wasn’t concurrent with the runup to World War I. 2025 feels like the Great Depression + the Gilded Age + the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand + the Civil War + segregation + Asian-American internment camps, but instead of happening over the course of a hundred years, we’re packing it all in to Thursday.
It happened because people fought and died to make it happen.
Yeah, but then we’re right back to the public disinterest and economic risk, both of which make large-scale collective action a very difficult prospect (by design).
EDIT: To be clear, I’m not trying to be a fatalist here. I’m trying to calibrate for the extreme level of danger that we’re facing, from multiple corners, all at once.
Mmmm, probably not, because we were not as free as we are now and society hasn’t had enough time here in USA to let that sink in because a group of rich bigots want to make life miserable for us regular people again because they are sooooooo hollow inside that they can only try to make us all feel like that.
All of what is happening is because of wealth inequality. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on that.
There is no war but class war.
the Great Depression + the Gilded Age + the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand + the Civil War + segregation + Asian-American internment camps, but instead of happening over the course of a hundred years, we’re packing it all in to Thursday.
You forgot that on top of all that, the people on top have in their possession an integrated surveillance state superweapon the likes of which has never really been seen before.
How effective they’ll be able to make it, in service of destroying anyone who opposes them politically, remains to be seen, but people who’ve managed to build pale imitations of it have in the past been able to accomplish terrifying things, and they got this version all for free and all complete, someone else having built it for them.
I definitely wasn’t saying it will be a straightforward struggle or a fun time.
Decent aim with a paintball gun will take some of that surveillance out for a time.
Traitors should be put in front of a firing squad.
Agreed, but only AFTER DUE PROCESS.
No, let them reap what they sow.
If you throw enough shit, some of it will stick.
Yeah, but that also makes everything rather shitty.
makes everything rather shitty
^^^ We are here. ^^^
Maybe if John Roberts gives Trump MORE Legal Freedom he WONT Punish him!
Why taunt the judiciary? That seems like a losing strategy for everyone