Recommend them The Red Pen or Dessalines instead. Western Marxism is better not receiving any traction at all. Fucking dogmatist Piece of shit!
baby marxists should focus on actual theorists such as Lemon and Meow
I am personally a big fan of Marxism-Lemonism-Meowism…
I find it kind of ironic I used him as an audiobook narrator for Left Wing Communism yet dude is an ultra lmao.
Jup,pretty much. S4A lost the plot a while ago.
Their ultra-leftism towards China is an unfortunate thing that I have noticed, and it is always annoying to see (I know that Maoism is not a purely western phenomenon and was in fact “synthesized” by Gonzalo and the Peruvian Maoists, but I swear, western Maoists just feel like armchairists).
Edit: Why did this get so many upvotes? I am a bit surprised haha.
Dessalines repo was a real eye opener. Can anyone link me to The Red Pen?
Thanks, comrade.
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I thought this guy was a hoxhaist? wouldn’t he stan Stalin’s ussr at least?
That’s the neat part. USSR doesn’t exist anymore, so he’s okay with that.
Apparently Deng bad, US Green party good enough
Still can’t believe that mf wanted to turn the Green Party into his Vanguard by taking over it! 😭 MAGA ass behaviour!
Haha yup 🤣
While I know that this person is some ultra, what other channels would you recommend (besides the Red Pen and Dessalines)?
For analysis or everything?
Analysis would be nice.
Revolutionary Th0t
Prolekult
Bes. D Marx
International Solidarity Podcast
Lady Izdihar
Thanks for the recommendations!
There’s also Gabriel Rockhill but he doesn’t have his own channel.
I wonder how long it will take for folks in the US to feel the limits of PSL too.
What are the limits of PSL?
One could ask if bourgoisie electoralism were to become sophisticated enough to allow for pressure valve for discontent (let’s say including against the genocides and the jingoisim against Russia, China, Iran and Venuzeula) for even budding marxists what would that look like and how does the PSL differentiate themselves from that?
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11468794/8142738
The facetious response? The angry parade party. As others have said when you repeatedly issue demands and they do not comply to your demands, and then nothing happens, then your teaching everyone your organisation can be safely ignored. Even some radlibs understand this. The PSL has the audacity to not only do this but also call themselves MLs. Like what is the strategy for leverage here beyond electoralism because like a very basic tenet of understanding the political economy is you cannot play by the rules of the class you are hoping to overthrow and then win?
I have other glaring issues with them but the problem is the average westerner, despite any hardship and whatever leftist aesthetic they don, absolutely refuse to learn from those who won. Like right now could one point to a serious PSL strategy where they outline the pitfalls of bourgoisie electoralism, how they going to overcome this, and what scientific analysis they have done so they can focus on populations with the most revolutionary potential? I could keep going and on but I am just going to leave it there. This ain’t about some nonsense about purity. I am saying the leadership is a bunch of pseudoscientifc clowns.
All the original BLM leaders were killed off with the quickness but the PSL still stands because they are not a threat, but useful idiots where the state can go “look at these feckless commies”. That’s the most charitable explanation that they’re liberal career oppurtunities. But when you have folks trained from the George Washington University with openly genocidal polices on platforms they promote then this is way more than just ignorance at play here.
People cry wrecker because they haven’t been to a third world country where organisations with way less privilege and wealth, in way harsher environments, have done way more, ML or not.
(Rant not directed at you. Please feel to swap any “you’s” to a less affrontive pronoun)
All the original BLM leaders were killed off with the quickness but the PSL still stands because they are not a threat,
i dont necessarily disagree with your arguments, but i feel like you are putting impossible standards on PSL. by your logic, any communist org that exists in the US is useless because it exists. so the only good org is one that doesnt exist. a bit unreasonable, no?
i dont necessarily disagree with your arguments, but i feel like you are putting impossible standards on PSL. by your logic, any communist org that exists in the US is useless because it exists. so the only good org is one that doesnt exist. a bit unreasonable, no?
You’re absolutely right to point that out. The answer is: underground organising and cells, till you have accumlated either enough mass or capital to take on selected strategic aspects of the state ie you can generate leverage so that when your demands are not met you can use them, with increasing demands everytime they concede. (I’m not sure how to word it more precisely before it starts look like fedposting)
There may be a still more scientific and successful approach than the above but I do not know what that is, and the PSL are not even at the level of scandinavian socdem labour parties in the early 20th century - nevermind ML. (This sounds like there is a linear trajectory from socdem to ML - that is wrong but for now I will leave this paradigm as it is)
I want to also clarify: I used to think they were just incompetent, now I wonder if it is worse than that. A system’s intention is what it does.
The answer is: underground organising and cells
the problem is that this strategy is counter to building a mass working class movement, which is what PSLs strategy is right now. they need to popularize socialism and anti-imperialism to get the masses on board with their project.
this is also done to solve the main issue in US, that labour is not organised at all. you cannot build up unions as an underground cell. i dont think the socialist movement is at a stage where they can actively confront the government right now, which is what i understand you are proposing.
Everyone does not need to be communists, or even socialists or even left wing. In fact the majority need not be. The vanguard can be small. Every successful AES had a relatively tiny vanguard. You need quality over quantity, not big tent idealism.
However, what you should be targeting are folks for the wider mass movement who will materially benefit from the downfall of US hegemony and those that are fine with going along with that programme because they will materially benefit from it within the short to medium term. The PSL has no such offer.
i dont think the socialist movement is at a stage where they can actively confront the government right now
You’re right it needs to be built, so we have to consider if they are what they say they are then why are they hatching before they’ve incubated
“Anti-war” + welfare state =/ ML
There are underground ML orgs in the US already. The problem is, the workers are still disorganized. And with gig economy growing in the share of the whole job market, the problem is only getting worse.
I do agree that you need a strong cohesive organization and for that you need a clear political line. However this habit of ideological purity fetish that is common to all ML, Trot or Maoist orgs has also led to an immense fragmentation that made organizing in the mass scale impossible. Even worse, it made the Marxist parties irrelevant in the dispute over public subjectivity.
While I don’t question that Lenin’s methods worked in Tsarist Russia, specially because they achieved a revolution there (praxis), we need to understand that at Lenin’s time political organizations (even bourgeois ones) were strictly forbidden. It means that carrying activities underground was not simply a choice, but a response to their historical material conditions. Even Lenin, before building the Russian social democratic party, participated in an adventurist org before so he also had experience in doing so. Today, even though we can’t let our guards down because repression by state forces is still a very real thing, the conditions are not the same.
I see a lot of orgs trying to replicate the Bolshevik’s physical newspaper, and even though I think this kind of effort has its merits, nobody reads physical newspapers anymore. So most of the time see purists as HEMA practicioners trying to hone their swordsmanship skills based on old manuals. The problem is that HEMA practicioners don’t take themselves very seriously (and they know it’s a historical re-enactment, not a practical skill for today’s needs) while some purist orgs still think they are doing the real thing.
Instead of just thinking on replicating what the Bolsheviks did, why don’t we instead think on the objectives we want to achieve? The real merit of Bolshevik organization was that they were able to create a big network of Bolshevik chapters around Russia, and create an organized propaganda and information gathering apparatus. Not only that, but they were able to fund their operations to a point were people could be dedicated revolutionaries, not simply amateurish voluntaries whose revolutionary work was the fourth priority in their lives.
So even though the Bolsheviks strived for a very clear political line, I disagree with the view that they were extremely factionalists. After the 1905 revolution they even became more open and accepted more proletarian members, they didn’t stick with just a small cadre of die hard intellectuals. And they had to do this otherwise the other orgs (Memsheviks and SRs) would become more important than them.
What’s your opinion on the push from them and their network of orgs pushing for general strikes?
What are their demands? Do you need an ML organisation for a general strike? How does this self-purported ML organisation differentiate itself from a socdem call for a general strike? The likes of DSA/Bernie/Justice Democrats are all pro general strikes.
OK… So you don’t have an opinion or what? If you did some investigation you would know that the strike movement would have fizzled out in Michigan because local liberal leaders didn’t want to do it and the PSL pushed for it anyway. The liberals you’re talking about are tailing behind them.
How closely do you really follow these developments?
So they have progress to the level New Deal era socdem labour movements at best? Managed to spread the loot of imperialism a bit more equitably? Your lynchpin is reactionary trade unions? I’m not USAmerican, what you’re saying is really not that promising. Hopefully I am proven wrong over time but if this is the best you folks have to offer then we’re fucked. I suspect you will have truly revolutionary movements but I suspect the PSL ain’t it.
I’m not sure what your expectations are or your level of understanding of the material conditions in the mouth of imperialism and how they impact organizing.You might be better off asking questions of full PSL members if you want to know what the PSL is about, and their current goals.
Historically, revolution has been most successful where the chains of imperialism are weakest. I wouldn’t be waiting for a revolution in the west. Advancing and guiding the development of class consciousness is a huge necessity in the west. Almost a century of assault on revolutionary ideology has its population wildly propagandized. I mean, the state invented a whole perversion of Marxism to keep the population misguided and to discredit Marxist-Leninist movements and actually existing socialist states.
Almost a century of counter revolutionary action within it’s own borders, likely developing an effective playbook for stifling movements. Now with tools the McCarthyists of the past could only dream of.
So I hear your frustrations, but I do wonder how much you have investigated these ideas yourself.
no investigation, no right to speak. all your “criticisms” are vagueposting and rhetorical questions.
no investigation, no right to speak. all your “criticisms” are vagueposting and rhetorical questions.
Those questions could be answered. The fact you opted not to is telling.
Never at any point do you make an argument, you simply suggest that there must be a compelling argument, thereby proving your point.
no, he doesn’t denounce every successful socialist state lol
Maybe they mean all currently existing socialist states (they are against the PRC).
He does denounce AES countries. The fastest growing economy ever that lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and he gives its credit to capitalism.
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Maybe you could edit your title so that it is clearer? I am not sure if he is the type to be against the USSR…






