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If only progressives were as good at voting in primaries as we are at snarky memes…
Ah yes, I should have voted in the primary we totally had for Kamala! Or that one right before that one that totally happened with just Biden on the ticket! That was clearly my bad. Maybe I’ll have two choices next time and I’ll vote extra hard, just for you.
Or in a state that’s either too early or too late in the cycle for the dnc to care about when it comes to primary and cacuse results.
Hey, if that was your first primary, fair. You might not be old enough to remember but there were primaries in 2016 and 2020 and while very good at being condescending online, progressives still didn’t show up to vote.
The ones the DNC admitted in court that they rigged and it’s fine because they’ve never needed to be legally honest with the public?
Those one’s?
That’s a wildly trumpian mischaracterization of what happened.
Obviously a status quo is going to do what it can to protect its power, just like the RNC stacked the odds against trump in 2015. But we still couldn’t get enough progressives to do the actual, non whining online work of showing up and voting.
It astounds me that the group that can’t even muster enough support to go and outvote the liberal side of the electorate somehow thinks they’ll rally folks to a revolution. It’s goddamn childish. Show up, vote, win elections.
Way to assume that I’m some child because you can’t grasp how American politics works, and how rigged it is against us. I’ve voted Dem my whole life and we do have progressive candidates out in our state legislature where my voice actually gets heard (and even that is flawed and limited to two parties as well).
Anyway, did you know each of our states only gets two senators? My home state of Massachusetts gets the same number of Senators as California (which has over double the population of Ontario) and Wyoming (which has under half the population of Saskatchewan).
Well, out of the two of us, you either forgot about 2/3 of the last the last elections or chose to ignore then because you knew they disproved your point.
And yes, the Senators is a weird thing but on the other hand, imagine how powerful progressive Senators could be if only progressives voted!
Fwiw, the usual and more striking comparison for California and Canada is that California has almost as many people as all of Canada.
1/3 primaries being bunk is not the W you think it is. I don’t know why you keep thinking it makes your cause look good. It makes your horseshit liberal electoral politics even more silly , which is actually impressive.
It’s almost like there was something wildly unusual about the last candidate… Oh right, usually a candidate doesn’t drop out right before the election.
Goodness gracious.
Well, out of the two of us, you either forgot about 2/3 of the last the last elections or chose to ignore then because you knew they disproved your point.
Says you.
And yes, the Senators is a weird thing but on the other hand, imagine how powerful progressive Senators could be if only progressives voted!
I’ll rally the progressive cattle that outnumber humans in Wyoming and travel to the great Mormon state of Utah and pitch my case, post-haste! /s
Fwiw, the usual and more striking comparison for California and Canada is that California has almost as many people as all of Canada
Which is why you should really reconsider how lacking your understanding is. I’m comparing states and provinces and the whole country of Canada can’t even match. You think California runs the federal government?
Says you.
??? Okay, I’m so curious, what’s the third option? You didn’t forget the other elections, you didn’t neglect to mention them because they were counter to your point but instead…?
If progressives knew how to count votes manually, then we would be having a very different comment thread.
One cannot have a democracy where the results are announced and believed in blind faith. Which happens more than not
These sorts of conspiracies are so delightfully silly. You have to believe that there’s one level of incompetent DNC leadership that has their emails leaked, loses in court but behind and above that is a secret cabal of highly competent DNC staff who also didn’t have their emails hacked who also manage to coordinate and operate a massive set of electoral fraud across some 30 or 40 different states, all without a whiff of evidence all of which simultaneously either completely contradicts the exit polling OR also involves most major news outlets while never being leaked…
It’s just an amazing example of wishful thinking, on the same level of plausibility as microchips in the vaccines.
If you go ahead and list all the safeguards and double checks of any computer voting of the state of your choice. I think if you try to do this in good faith you will quickly realize that there are many unknowns. Or you will realize you have to simply accept you are out of your depth of knowledge. This applies to red and blue states. In the end, you have to take it on faith things are proper.
The fact that one can count votes and in a way all can be satisfied about, like in the Uk or France, simply is ignored. Indeed, once someone has faith in the process, these details are not important.
And this is not just a few people in the thread here, who have strong faith in the computer voting, it’s a political wall that stops all progress.
completely contradicts the exit polling
National use of exit polling, by media companies, to predict federal races, stopped a few years ago because it was too inaccurate. However many do not know that.
Before that, there was a lot of talk about American exceptionalism and shy republican voters who were too embarrassed to admit they voted for the gop. A phenomenon that is not seen in other countries who also have similar parties.
This discussion went out of fashion when exit poll predictions stopped. Most people don’t even know what they are now.
It makes sense why your brain hurts
Liberals will say voting is the only way to do change, see progressives get fucked over, and then be smug about how they lost again.
Or ignore how the system is designed to prevent people from voting, especially in the usa, and still blame people not the system.
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You seem to be projecting a LOT.
The DNC doesn’t want to rule. They want to profit off the corruption, while they bitch and moan about it. The only thing that can save America is an independent, but Americans are too divided to ever see straight and leave their L/R silos.
The two party system will do that.
This would make a better point if the current administration wasn’t dismantling the government, stripping rights, and abducting people in the streets.
People may not want to hear this but not everyone is ready to replace the whole system at once and incremental progress is probably the best way to make gains. Revolutions don’t always end with a government based on the ideals that started them.
Incrementalism is a tool of the fascist to prevent actual change. This results in incremental fascism, democrats have said for decades that progress takes time. Yet here we are having the same conversations about wages, income inequality, housing, and basic needs as they did 200 years ago.
I don’t think the current facists in charge are doing it incrementally. You don’t acknowledge any changes or improvements over the last 200 years due to incremental progressivism?
Slavery took a civil war but women’s rights, gay rights, minimum wage, social safety nets (granted not at the level they should be), etc. I’d argue there has been lots of progress. If anything, the last 10 years have shown that getting discouraged by imperfect progress and not voting (even for the lesser evil, who do sometimes surprise us) can lead to very quick backslides. We’ve literally lost rights and baked in harder obstacles to progress by not choosing the lesser evil when that is the only realistic choice. I’m discounting revolution there because again it doesn’t always end how it starts
That’s the joke. Charlie always tries to kick the football.
I think it misses the point that while previous rhetoric may have been overblown what we are seeing now is at a different level.
Maybe we can have another useless protest.
I’m sure one is in the works
Oh look, it’s the Genocide Joe squad that got us into this fucking mess.
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