Nope. Once we’re into elections, the only way to win is to stop criticizing the candidates we want to win. Whether it’s Israeli support (which gop is way worse on), or the candidates laugh, or anything else. During primaries, fight like hell for progressives and non-Israeli-boot-lickers, but then stfu and help the better candidates win in the election.
There’s not a damn bit of difference between BlueMAGA like yourself and MAGA. The party you are supporting has directly led us to where we are right now. Fascism does not form in a vacuum, it requires the help of a complicit liberal party.
If the Dems were in power now the entire world would be in a much better place. I’m not sure how you can possibly not see that. But they simply don’t have the seats in either house to stop the fascists (especially considering the non-dem dems). They don’t have power mostly because too many idiotic Americans fell for Trump’s crap, but also because too many leftists failed to vote against him and the magas. Of course Dems are still beholden to the billionaires, and it would be great to primary out a bunch and get younger progressives in there. But they are so much better than trump/maga and if you don’t see that, you are being willfully ignorant.
But it also could have triggered a massive backlash against them
Neat how you can blame the candidates in a hypothetical that involves going against netanyahu, but blame the voters in the reality where sticking with netanyahu was what happened. Then it was the fault of those evil voters who dared to criticize your perfect genocide candidate.
To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it’s not the case. You can’t conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You’re incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you’re so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we’re stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don’t care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don’t vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
I’m not gloating about anything. I think the US should stop supporting Israel. And I think maga / trump is way worse for the people of Gaza than the dems.
It’s not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that’s how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that’s the defeatism.
You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you’re acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven’t been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don’t like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
There’s no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn’t represent you then you select someone who does. It’s not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it’s their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won’t let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it’s how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn’t matter and shouldn’t be involved in political discussions? You’re sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn’t matter.
Welll if they’re just going to try to convince people to indirectly support maga, then no, I don’t want to hear that ignorance.
And by an astounding coincidence, anything you don’t want people to be allowed to say because it’s critical of the genocide wing is “helping maga”.
Nope. Once we’re into elections, the only way to win is to stop criticizing the candidates we want to win. Whether it’s Israeli support (which gop is way worse on), or the candidates laugh, or anything else. During primaries, fight like hell for progressives and non-Israeli-boot-lickers, but then stfu and help the better candidates win in the election.
Sure. And before elections there’s another excuse. There’s always some excuse to not criticize the genocide wing.
Turtles all the way down.
There’s not a damn bit of difference between BlueMAGA like yourself and MAGA. The party you are supporting has directly led us to where we are right now. Fascism does not form in a vacuum, it requires the help of a complicit liberal party.
If the Dems were in power now the entire world would be in a much better place. I’m not sure how you can possibly not see that. But they simply don’t have the seats in either house to stop the fascists (especially considering the non-dem dems). They don’t have power mostly because too many idiotic Americans fell for Trump’s crap, but also because too many leftists failed to vote against him and the magas. Of course Dems are still beholden to the billionaires, and it would be great to primary out a bunch and get younger progressives in there. But they are so much better than trump/maga and if you don’t see that, you are being willfully ignorant.
If the dems would listen to their voters instead of netanyahu and only netanyahu, they might have won.
Possibly. But it also could have triggered a massive backlash against them (via the Israeli bought media and the easily manipulated US electorate).
Neat how you can blame the candidates in a hypothetical that involves going against netanyahu, but blame the voters in the reality where sticking with netanyahu was what happened. Then it was the fault of those evil voters who dared to criticize your perfect genocide candidate.
To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it’s not the case. You can’t conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You’re incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you’re so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we’re stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don’t care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don’t vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
you can stop gloating that the genocide wing runs dishonest primaries.
I’m not gloating about anything. I think the US should stop supporting Israel. And I think maga / trump is way worse for the people of Gaza than the dems.
Sure.
Uh huh.
More false dichotomy bullshit and defeatism. Love it.
It’s not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that’s how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that’s the defeatism.
More gloating that AIPAC buys you candidates you like.
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You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you’re acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven’t been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don’t like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
There’s no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn’t represent you then you select someone who does. It’s not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it’s their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won’t let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it’s how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn’t matter and shouldn’t be involved in political discussions? You’re sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn’t matter.
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Yeah the parties can never change that’s why this next election I’m voting straight Federalist…
THERE IT IS!
You like it when people support trump/maga from a position of ignorance?
Nope, the false dichotomy bullshit.