To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it’s not the case. You can’t conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You’re incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you’re so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we’re stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don’t care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don’t vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
I’m not gloating about anything. I think the US should stop supporting Israel. And I think maga / trump is way worse for the people of Gaza than the dems.
It’s not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that’s how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that’s the defeatism.
You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you’re acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven’t been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don’t like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
There’s no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn’t represent you then you select someone who does. It’s not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it’s their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won’t let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it’s how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn’t matter and shouldn’t be involved in political discussions? You’re sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn’t matter.
Because the left have been beaten so much by your precious and “better” Democrats that they no longer play your games. Again, great job showing your true colors as well and having a crash out over someone disagreeing with you that I shouldn’t be able to vote at all. That’s not very “liberal” at all.
To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it’s not the case. You can’t conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You’re incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you’re so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we’re stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don’t care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don’t vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
you can stop gloating that the genocide wing runs dishonest primaries.
I’m not gloating about anything. I think the US should stop supporting Israel. And I think maga / trump is way worse for the people of Gaza than the dems.
Sure.
Uh huh.
More false dichotomy bullshit and defeatism. Love it.
It’s not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that’s how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that’s the defeatism.
More gloating that AIPAC buys you candidates you like.
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You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you’re acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven’t been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don’t like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
There’s no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn’t represent you then you select someone who does. It’s not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it’s their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won’t let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it’s how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn’t matter and shouldn’t be involved in political discussions? You’re sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn’t matter.
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Democrats are not better, you believe they’re better because you believe in a binary that there are only two choices.
Because the left have been beaten so much by your precious and “better” Democrats that they no longer play your games. Again, great job showing your true colors as well and having a crash out over someone disagreeing with you that I shouldn’t be able to vote at all. That’s not very “liberal” at all.
Yeah the parties can never change that’s why this next election I’m voting straight Federalist…