I’ve been using it for well over a year now.
Hit my limit in 1 day and canceled.
It wasn’t profitable. This bait and switch was a long time coming.
Yup, the “first one is free” deal is always a trap.
Sigh. None of this is surprising in the least. The cost of AI infrastructure and compute (coupled with the complexity of the chain) makes it prohibitively expensive.
It only has appeared cheap because of investor money flowing like Niagara on the off-chance that it could be made cheap enough to be profitable after getting everyone addicted to using it. I really don’t think it’s there, and it’s definitely not cheap enough to continue flying for free much longer.
There will be some major bag holders soon. Who’s is gonna be? The funnelers or the funnelees? How does MS bounce back having integrated copilot into everything?
Given the recent NASDAQ changes, looks like US pension funds will end up with the bag. What a scam.
Microslop can suck it.
B- but the DOW 🥺
So a massive wealth transfer - right after Covid, ANOTHER unprecedented wealth transfer.
Side question: when are you people in the imperial core going to do something about this with all that God given Liberty™ and Freedom® you continually bomb and destabilize the rest of us for?
We got ourselves a keyboard warrior here.
Shakes Magic 8 Ball: Signs point to never.
Not me. As soon as my boss said, “Use the tool thoughtfully,” I pretty much don’t use it at all anymore.
The most thoughtful way to use it.
My reaction, exactly.
Would love to be a fly on the boardroom wall of any one of those companies which did massive layoffs “because AI”. Probably lowkey panicking on how to get their devs back.
I have pro+ and I filed an FTC complaint when the billing change was announced and encouraged others to do the same, with the hope that it may lead to a class action settlement in the future.
Good luck, buddy!
Yeah, what’s the surprise here? Turns out it’s expensive.
The surprise is that they’re not continuing to throw VC money at it to bolster user numbers and mislead investors.
Microsoft was deceptive here and never made it clear exactly what sort of deal you were getting with the flat rate. There was no indication of the actual magnitude.
You’d have to be truly ignorant to not know that it was going to happen (not saying that you are). It’ll be interesting to see if there any legal recourse, but I’m guessing not.
All of these companies are hemmoraging money to train and provide LLMs. The only option is to charge more. This current increase, IMO, is an alpha test for future increases. Unless there is a major jump in the technology, moreso the logic to train LLMs more efficiently, the cost has to keep going up to stay solvent for most of these major players.
I’m not talking about ignorance here, just one of the facts about how Microsoft was being shitty.
Are you defending Microsoft’s choice to be shitty? Or just excited to share how you knew better?
Absolutely not defending Microsoft. I’m just saying that it was obvious even a couple of years ago that this current pricing model isn’t feasible. It was always part of the plan to jack up prices, because that’s how every subscription service operates. In the case of AI, the expenses are astronomical and the pricing has never been close to something resembling profit.
Microsoft announced these price increases back in April, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody.
Yeah especially because they now have some convoluted method involving different counts of processing, cache etc. But the developer has no easy way of seeing those statistics and thus has no feel for them. And developers already have little control over how much tokens a task takes. Which was fine with the flat rate, just use the service. But now that those things actually matter, the stats should be way easier to see?
So in typical Microsoft fashion not only did they raise prices they somehow made it even more shit. Like the AI already sucked, but does the service itself need to suck as well?
Not being able to control costs and very vague productivity improvement claims makes the ROI impossible to calculate. So even if the AI wasn’t shit, it would still be hard to figure out if it’s even helping at all.
different counts of processing, cache etc
Don’t all the providers do this, though? Anthropic/Claude has different pricing based on if you’re caching for five mins vs one hour (which are the only two options for cache TTL). https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
Well, the point here is the deception. So, if you can find a similar link from the past from Microsoft…
It was easy to know how much the slop machine costs to run if you bothered to put even a tiny effort into finding out.
It was very much a red flag when they shut down signups.
Man, enshittification is happening so fast for ai. Imagine the next big thing. It’ll be enshittified prior to release.
Meta kind of did that with their VR stuff. They skipped the appealing to users part and build a bland, brand-safe, microtransaction-laden experience to sell to businesses assuming they could just use their size to force users to buy it.
I think that’s because Meta acquiring Oculus was the enshitfication.
„Enshittified“ implies it was ever not shit.
This isn’t enshittification in the traditional sense, they haven’t captured the market enough for that. They’re just panicking because they’re burning cash way too fast.
That word is only used correctly about 5% of the times it is used.
Don’t wanna be “that guy”, but if if 95% of the time people use it to generally mean “greedy companies making things shitty to try and wring an extra buck”, then that just is what that word means now.
It leaves a vacuum for the concept it was originally intended to describe, but that’s how she goes.
Are suggesting the word itself has become enshittified?
Interestingly enough, not the correct use for that word lol
Quick, we need a word for enshittified enshittification!
They forgot the first step where you make a great product that everyone’s clamoring to use.
They did, if by “everyone” you mean rich detached executives that constantly make decisions they have not the intelligence to understand.
Enshittification strategies only work if the product actually produces revenue and it grows along with market share. Unfortunately, even if market use grows, revenue from AI is not there. Even YouTube crossed the break even boundary before the start of ad enshittification and after the Google buyout. LLMs financial projections are starting to show that it will never reach enough revenue to cover costs, much less cover ROI into infrastructure and capacity. The math isn’t mathing and investors are starting to get cold feet. So they either enshittify now or the capital soon will start vanishing.
As a mod for the Enshitification you hate to see Enshitification in any form.
As a mod of Fuck_AI, I’ll make an exception in this one case.
COMMENCE THE ENSHITIFICATION!!!
Which completely goes against my Enshitification mod mindset, but here we are.
So…nobody told me life was going to be this way…
clap-clap-clap-clap
It’ll be a macguffin that makes your life a little more convenient in some ways, but it’ll cost the equivalent of a 1996 Honda Civic to use monthly and you have to smash your hand with a hammer to turn it on
GitHubMicrosoft just switched Copilot to metered billing, and developers are watching months of credits vanish in a single dayNot sure if you don’t realize this but those are the same company.
They switched from heavily subsidizing it, to subsidizing it less. That’s going to happen with the other providers, too.
yes but continue to use the github brand because we need to remind folks that github blows
I’m not sure why anyone is surprised. The new pricing is closer to what it actually costs to provide the service.
They can’t keep subsidizing AI forever. The same thing is going to happen to other providers too.
I think a lot of people thought that they were going to pay a flat monthly fee forever. This is just the beginning.
I’ve been warning anyone who will listen that the metered token-based rates are the future for this industry. I’ve had coworkers dismiss my warnings, and now here we are. It’s gonna be a shit show once anthropic eventually switches over to token-based billing for services like Claude Code.
There might continue to be flat monthly fees with some providers, but I can imagine the prices growing to at least 10x the current prices. At the moment, a $200/month plan with Anthropic or OpenAI lets you use thousands of dollars worth of tokens per month (and even that price might currently be subsidized) which isn’t sustainable.
Weird, I’m not having this problem.
Same
Is it because you don’t rely on The Bullshit Machine?
It’s more that my daily life tasks have no use for AI agents or llms. I have dabbled with running local llms and agents, but idk yet, just haven’t gotten enough out of it that it seems worth it.
So many of my colleagues and friends have told me about their experiences, and I have listened, and I have not modified anything about my workflow, and I feel no desire to taste.
Watching github news from my codeberg safe place 😎🍿🍺
vampires on a balcony.gif
me feeling pimp since ive always hosted my own runners
I run gitea - its same cicd syntax as github. same - selfhosted runners
gitea has been a wild ride hasn’t it – im on forgjo now
Just trying to squeeze it out before the pop.
MS acts like the bubble already popped.
Maybe it did for them!
I guess they are starting to feel the strain of hemorrhaging billions of dollars for data centers.
and neglecting most of its other services. big mistake was having OPENAI attached at the hip with MS.
They’re figuring if AI is not deeply embeded and people totally addicted to using it by now it’s not ever going to happen, so it’s time to let the trap shut and see what they caught.
And yet stock prices SOAR!
The market is insane. The valuations for stocks connected in any way to “AI” have no connection to reality whatsoever.
It never has had any connection to reality. It’s always been at the whims of ignorant rich fucks that own most of the stock.
You just described the entire stock market since the dawn of currency.
AI is just the newest buzzword.
My Microsoft stock has not soared. :(
Ha ha! Thats what you get for supporting them financially.
I didn’t? I worked for them and the stock was part of my pay package.
I don’t mean any malice by this, as I understand what a pay package is, but you really should’ve started selling when “microslop” took off as a nickname.
and if they don’t allow you to sell, you should’ve known you were being lined up as a patsy for the c-suits.
I should have sold in October when it was trading at $520. But hey, at least I didn’t sell in March-April when it was at $380.
The thing is, if you sell ~$100k in stocks (that you “bought” for way less than that), that’s a huuuuuge tax bill for the year, so I try not to sell in enormous chunks like that.
That’s worse.
anthropic started charging a higher token droven method for api access. copilot use the api to talk to claude.
at build they were pushing local models with nvidia’s new chip and that chip is objectively amazing.
