[two characters are talking]
Vaccines have saved millions of lives you know

[a blue character points at them proudly]
Heh, look at those idiots over there, they believe in the most obvious propaganda

[the blue character is shown doing various faces]
Anyway, did you know communism killed 100 million people?
I’ve seen that 20% of the people commit 80% of the crime
Our military keeps the world a safer place
Everyone starts with opportunities, you have to earn your place in society, work harder

[sixteen variations of the blue character are shown on a multicolored grid]
Crime is out of control and keeps getting worse
Men are natural leaders, women’s nature is to nurture
Billionaires create jobs
Poor people just keep making bad decisions in life
Migrants are taking our jobs
Socialism is when we all share the same paycheck
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
If minimum wages go up, everyone will get fired, it’s math
We brought modernity to the countries we colonized
The wage gap is a myth you’re just looking at it wrong
Immigration mathematically causes crime
Developing countries are poor because of corruption
We are the good guys
If workers were worth more, they would be paid more
Universal healthcare is communism
Patriotism means supporting the troops

[a large drawing of a serious Garfield is surrounded by the infinitely repeating phrase]
YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO PROPAGANDA

https://thebad.website/comic/trust_no_one_not_even_yourself

  • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    16
    ·
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    You’re not “owed” a reply. Nobody is ever “owed” a reply

    yeah, if you try to smuggle pro-communist propaganda into neutral comic forum, i am. and the fact you tried to downplay it means you are well aware of that.

    This book uses ridiculous figures such as nazis killed by the USSR during WW2, soviet soldiers who died fighting nazis, an estimate of children not born due to the one child policy, among many other absurdities, to reach its 100 million tally.

    i am not expert on this specific book and i am sure it is not easy task to come up with final figure, as any regime murdering people en mass is usually not keeping very good evidence. i am also sure that some numbers may be disputed, which is still not reason to try to dismiss it as you do. you know why?

    because it is not about specific number. i don’t care whether the “real number” (if there could be such thing) is 50 or 150 million. the fact is, that communists MURDERED people, and a lot of them. the fact that nazis also murdered people is irrelevant to that point. the fact that some politician somewhere is supporting modern-day nazis is irrelevant to that point.

    (a nazi war criminal responsible for deporting my family to death camps)

    other people do have families escorted to similar camps by communist criminals

    who used it as defense to say “sure we killed people but communism was worse”.

    you are using the same excuse, just in the reverse direction.

    You don’t have to be a “tankie” (which I’m not despite your assumption) to realize red scares are propaganda and have consequences.

    let me be clear here, while propaganda does indeed have consequences, YOU DO HAVE TO BE EITHER TANKIE, OR AN IDIOT, to try to downplay the fact that communists murdered people en mass by calling it “red scare”.

    you live in a society in which loitering in the wrong place, jaywalking, stealing 3€ of goods from a supermarket can constitute a crime, but regular white collar crime gets solved in private and doesn’t even go to trial, while most rapes aren’t even reported to the police out of fear.

    yes, that is a problem worth solving, but it doesn’t in any way explain why pareto principle should not apply so some specific subsets of criminals.

    it applies to a subset of criminals who are incarcerated and it is documented and i am pretty sure it applies to subset of white collar criminals as well.

    i am not sure about rape, since it is a specific crime in that it doesn’t scale very well - you can, fortunately, only rape one person at a time, so it is probably not possible for 20% of perpetrators to be responsible for 80% of rapes, but i am really guessing here.

    and most importantly, i am not really sure why this bothers you or the author of the comic. the pareto principle used in this way doesn’t specifically accuse poor people, or people of color, which are over represented in the prison population, of anything. it is a general mathematical principle describing distribution of data in a set.

    if anything, i am quite sure that it would hold (if we had a chance to test it on real data) and say that 20% of the thieves are responsible for 80% of the total damage caused.

    and the fact that these 20% will be white collar criminals and are unfortunately far more likely to get away without punishment, while we only locked the bottom 80%, is completely different societal problem (worth solving), but i am not sure where author of the comic sees the social or inequality issue in the simple and well tested mathematical principal that he feels to label it as “propaganda”

    • Peluri96@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      14 hours ago

      The problem is not that authoritarian regimes that mark themselves as communist cause a lot of deaths trough Missmanagement and suppression (great famine was mostly Missmanagement). Its how and by whom these numbers are used. When far right politicians call general health programs communism (which its not) and then cite that number (which had already been explained to be much lower), that is weaponizing it in a harmful way to suppress some potentially useful policy. This is what the other commentor was saying with “red scare”.

      I also think they communism killed x number of people is also bullshit because what do you even call communism? States like Russia under stalin or Mao China were closer to authoritarian regimes than communism as defined by Marx.

      Further I think that this number doesn’t make much sense at all since it also lacks any context to make it useful.

      • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        5 hours ago

        The problem is not that authoritarian regimes that mark themselves as communist cause a lot of deaths trough Missmanagement and suppression (great famine was mostly Missmanagement). Its how and by whom these numbers are used.

        no, i am pretty sure that the problem is that communism kills people en mass. it is important to understand it when some uneducated moron dreams about communism and tries to explain that 100m of dead is propaganda, it was aKsHhuuuALly juSt 60…

        the fact that somewhere else is some nazi moron is also a problem, but it is not a defense for a communism.

        States like Russia under stalin or Mao China were closer to authoritarian regimes than communism as defined by Marx.

        well of course we are talking about every attempt at practical realization of communism in human history. no one cares about a fictional dream in a book. fictional dream in a book does not kill people, all the practical attempts at bringing it to life does.

    • Bad@jlai.luOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Nah you’re just as insufferable as I thought, I’m good.

      Many more interesting things to do in life that argue with this brainrotten aggro take.

      The comic was about you I guess.

      • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        1 day ago

        what a surprise that you, once again, can’t formulate an answer, that was totally unexpected 😂

      • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        24 hours ago

        that is the only thing from the whole post you are able to argue with? well congratulations… 😂

        guess what, people can be aware of immoral foundation and crimes of communism without having read every single existing book on the subject.

        wtf is happening here, is jlai.lu new hexbear, or what?