A woman said an Audi loaner car’s Lytx camera recorded her conversations, sparking privacy concerns over dealership fleet monitoring.

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    10 hours ago

    Funny, I was just arguing with someone who swears up and down that no car company is actually doing this.

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        9 hours ago

        Hey look, it is one of those things that would be great if it worked perfectly and never sent data out from the vehicle but since it won’t be perfect and it will absolutely be designed to send telemetry it will be a dystopian nightmare as the article points out.

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          I’m mostly in the same boat. It would be neat, but auto manufacturers have already started grumbling about the money it will cost to build one of these devices, and there’s no way they would fail to either

          1. pass this cost on to the consumer, or
          2. collect the data to sell later, or
          3. simply do both. Probably this one.
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            Money isn’t my objection. I think mandating safety equipment like back up cameras is a good thing.

            This is fantasy tech that will never work reliably for the entire population and therefore it should not be required even if it was free.

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              Again, “safety” is how we get mass surveillance (protect the children ! Well except for the Epstein class thats fine). The backup camera led to screens. Which lead to more cameras. Tech is not good and needs to get out of cars.

              I’m sorry, my backup camera is called the fucking mirrors or getting off your ass to look behind you if youre that unsure. Just last year I got backed into my car by a truck WITH CAMERAS and he “didnt see me” and thought he ran over a rock.

              If youre so stupid you need a backup camera, you dont deserve a vehicle. Same with blind spot monitors. Use your eyes and this thing we have called a neck to turn your head.

              0 of my cars have had cameras. I drive 20k miles a year ish, never been in an accident (which yes, is partially just luck, but I am a cautious driver with autosport experience).

              And yes “if everyone was like me the world would be better”.

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                Back up cameras are awesome because you can see all the way to the ground. They are a massive safety benefit just like airbags, seat belts, and crumple zones.

                Backup cameras existing are not the reason that their screens were misused for other negative purposes and you can’t blame them any more than you can blame better brakes for increasing vehicle weights because they are better at stopping.

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                  Theyre fine, but then that shit is mandated and now suddenly every car is required to have a screen and no physical buttons with outdated shit software. Thats the issue. Tech will always lead to enshittification. I’d rather have none of it, and I’m pissed off that I have no choice, other than used cars, of which the US government crushed hundreds of thousands to further make us poorer and force us into new surveillance mobiles they can control on a whim.

                  What the fuck happened to being able to spec my car exactly as I want ? Thats why the mustang was such a success. You want a radio? Cool check the box. You dont want it? OK no problem dont check the box.

                  Want a camera? Get a kit you can install or have a shop install. It doesn’t need to be mandated.

                  That doesn’t exist now. You automatically get all these bullshit doodads no one wants or cares about that also make the car far more expensive and unreliable and unrepairable.

                  I don’t want a modem. I don’t want a screen. I don’t want electric seats. I don’t want cameras. Sure, I’ll take airbags and seatbelts, but none of that requires the other junk.

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                    No car is required to have no physical buttons. They do that because it’s cheaper for the screen to be a touchscreen than to spend pennies on buttons. The regulation only specifies that there has to be a camera. The screen can still be controlled by buttons or rotary dials. Mercedes was still doing that up till the early 2020s for some models. My 2019 C-Class had no touch screen, despite having a nice wide and clear screen. Exactly how I preferred it.

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                    every car is required to have a screen and no physical buttons with outdated shit software

                    That isn’t a requirement, just companies chasing shitty trends. Several brands never dropped the physical air conditioning and volume controls from the dashboard or reversed it within a year or two based on feedback.

                    You are ranting about industry trends and conflating them with safety requirements. Those things are intertwined in some ways but the majority of your rant has nothing to do with actual requirements, just shitty cost cutting choices.

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            8 hours ago

            Drooling not grumbling, drooling. Major car manufacturer in europe actually advertised it. The other even put cops in the back seat.