One of the men goes for her phone. The other grabs at her hands. Ozturk screams. Shock and fear ripple through her voice. Two masked women join them, tugging at her backpack, peeling the straps from her shoulders. “I’m going somewhere, I need to call someone,” she pleads. “We’re the police. Relax,” one of the men says in response.
They surround her. Then, one by one, they pull their neck gaiters up to cover their faces. “You don’t look like police,” a voice off screen says. “Why are you hiding your faces?” The questions continue, but the figures don’t respond. Instead, they cuff Ozturk, cross the street, and put her in an unmarked SUV. She is gone.
Completely understandable on an emotional level, but if you’re not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.
OK, it seems to me to be very remotely possible but unlikely.
I’d argue that you’re coming from a consequentialism “the ends justifies the means” standpoint wheras I’m coming from deontological ethics.
I think you’re arguing that “you can do whatever you want to as long as it leads to some identified desired outcome”.
If republicans are pushing for fascism, as we all seem to perceive here, my approach is the exact opposite of that. You dont need to take my opinion on it, you can use classic models which are a whole lot better than nothing. If you read up (its 60 seconds, I promise) on consequentialism you will see the Harris campaign outlined pretty spot on, and if you read up on deontology you will see the ani genocide crowd, again spot on. Then take a step back and think which is a better way to fight the vast and sprawling abuses of fascism.
I dont think winging it ends-justifies-the-means style is going to cut it with these stakes. I’m not saying I’m sure I’m right, but I’m positive that I’m doing my best just like I 'd guess a lot of you think you are. When we think of what a bright future is, its a system of laws that irons out basic unfairness and brutality. We all want this. We disagree on how to get there.
Hot take: deontological ethics is a sad way to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
I don’t think the ends justify the means, and in equal measure I don’t think the means justify the ends.
I’m all for hearing a better way of fighting fascism. Letting a death cult take control of all branches of government was definitely a method. I’m not going to stop listening but like… what the fuck are we doing?
Oh yeah, I want this, and I disagree very heavily with the death cult absolute power method. But I don’t have a choice now, it’s up to you now to prove that fighting alongside the death cult was the better choice.