• soratoyuki@piefed.zip
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    7 hours ago

    Without a warrant, it’s literally his phone to do with it what he pleases. Baffled that that’s not the end of the conversation.

    Assuming we lived in a rational world with a fair and impartial justice system, and not one that exists to funnel money from the working class into the Epstein class and kill or imprison everyone that makes that less easy.

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      well they have the “border search exception” so at the border, no, they generally do not need a warrant for “routine searches” of electronic devices. Fucked up, but that is the law on the books and US courts have virtually always upheld it when it comes up.

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      Assuming we lived in a rational world with a fair and impartial justice system

      That’s like assuming unicorns will protect all that is good and sugar is effective weight loss

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      Oh, because they are outside US borders they claim not to need a warrant, but that doesn’t stop them using US law to prosecute him though.

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      I think the supreme court has said they can search phones without warrants at the border and points of entry, so airports.

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        A judge issues a warrant when there is an active criminal investigation. If there’s no investigation, no warrant.

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            It is how it works inside the united states. It’s just they claim that because he was on the flight side of the airport, he wasn’t inside the US.

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              it is how it works

              Thanks but I live here and it’s not basically ever.

              Cops either use a pretense tools like a drug dog to establish probable cause for the search they want or do parallel construction after they’ve already built the general structure of a case, usually tracing things to a valid cause for search, usually via coached informant.

              Or its ice and they can just do whatever they want.

              You’re living in a fantasy world and your delusional ignorance is real danger is worrying. Please never approach or speak to me in person.

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                  That’s not how it works. I’m not sure that’s how it’s ever worked. You’re living in a fantasy. Warrants are not a meaningfully real thing.

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                    My point was that they fabricated a pretense to avoid needing one, just as you said. You’re making the same fucking point.