• wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe
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    8 hours ago

    I am doing a PhD in computational neuroscience. We use LLMs a lot. Helps write code that I don’t want to bother write and find some bugs due to human error. You sure make a lot of assumptions about strangers online.

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      8 hours ago

      Yeah, sure, it can produce text. That’s not my issue with your previous comment. The issue is you bring up “generative ai” and then list a bunch of machine learning applications that have nothing to do with chatbots.

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        7 hours ago

        Machine learning is part of AI. I replied with multiple examples because the post and the reply asked about how to use AI non greedily and not generative AI specifically. Generative AI isn’t just chatbots.

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          7 hours ago

          So you just completely ignore all context? The fact that you’re talking about generative ai doesn’t give you any fucking context clues? Who is arguing against machine learning?? Nobody! Who is fighting to get rid of disease modeling? Nobody!! These are fake arguments that only exist to distract from the very very limited potential of chatbots, and yes, generative ai is just chatbots.

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            7 hours ago

            Generative AI are models that generate data from a learned distribution. Some weather models involve generative AI as in generating weather trajectories, you also use it often in behavioral models where you want to generate animal like behavior from observing how actual animals behave. There are plenty of examples, you just want to be part of the hate bandwagon.

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              7 hours ago

              No, absolutely false. Generative ai is literally generating text and images or even videos from a prompt. If you conflate everything it’s very easy to dismiss criticism, but if you actually contend with anti-ai arguments you will find they all use this definition.

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                7 hours ago

                Here’s the Wikipedia definition:

                Generative artificial intelligence (GenAI) is a subfield of artificial intelligence (AI) that uses generative models to generate text, images, videos, audio, software code or other forms of data.[1] These models learn the underlying patterns and structures of their training data, and use them to generate new data[2] in response to input, which often takes the form of natural language prompts.

                What part of it says it is just chatbots? Notice that of says “other forms of data” there? That is because audio, video, and chatbots are the most common cases, not the only cases. Prompts are not even needed. You just have a bunch of data points forming a distribution, and you want a model that samples faithfully from that distribution.

                I agree that the word “AI” and even “generative AI” is being used to basically describe big tech that pushes their products on people like OpenAI and Anthropic, but you gotta understand that relying on context is bound to create misunderstanding. Context doesn’t travel along like words do.

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                  Do you not see how incredibly broad your definition is compared to wikis or mine? I agree that wiki definitions often use qualifiers in order to avoid making absolute statements, but wiki and I absolutely do agree about this.

                  I am struggling to take your claim of simple miscommunication seriously. The context of the gen ai debate that’s been raging for 3+ years is not in flux: we have all been saying the same things about the same chatbots, and the idea that anti-ai people just hate medicine or weather or animals or whatever is just… deeply disrespectful and annoying. You can at least just learn what we’re opposed to, before defending ai from attacks and arguments that were never made and would be silly to try to make.

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                    6 hours ago

                    You accused me of conflating AI with generative AI while an entire community continuously conflates generative AI with an amalgamation of corporate interests and its irresponsible use. The wiki avoids using absolute statements because that is the proper way to communicate.

                    What is disrespectful is putting all the relentless work of AI researchers into the same pot you use to criticize capitalist interests.

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      8 hours ago

      I thought you were going to say something smart about use of machine learning algorithms, but you went with using LLMs to code for you instead.

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        7 hours ago

        That is one of the main applications of LLMs, so what? If you want more specific applications tied to my field you can look at behavioral modeling.