A US Marine Corps guidance released in March states that people who suffer from skin conditions like PFB may be discharged; critics argue the policy is ‘racist.’
So you’re saying there’s a gender that are generally worse shots and their bodies don’t tend to fit gas masks very well? Why would we let those people serve in the military?
What does that have to do with a beard being a problem for wearing gas masks? Can you articulate any reasonable link between “a lot less and finer facial hair.” to a full beard being a problem?
Edit: Ran into your other comment… Are you claiming that Women shoot better than men and fit gas masks better? It seems unclear what your intent is here.
Women don’t tend to have, at military age, noticable beards at all.
Plus are generally better shots.
We could talk about trans people, but the us military already has a ban.
I’m sure a big strapping young man can swing a sword wonderfully, but that just doesn’t mean as much in modern war as the ability to sleep comfortably in a smaller bunk, reliably don a gas mask, or accurately hit a target with a gun.
I think this sop to masculine vanity is hurting the readiness of our armed forces, and it’s silly. People who are not suitable and not useful should not serve, and we shouldn’t waste tax money appeasing their egos.
So what does that have to do with this article of men being medically discharged from the military? I see nothing relevant.
Let’s look at your nonsense though…
Women don’t tend to have, at military age, noticable beards at all.
I can accept this. This is true. However, that’s not the problem it’s not a matter of IF they have beards or not… it’s a matter of being able to REMOVE those beards for the use of the equipment.
ability to sleep comfortably in a smaller bunk
Non-issue. We built our own hooches while deployed. Just give the soldiers wood and screws… they’ll build what they need. There is no “smaller” or “larger” bunk requirement. Soldiers in general are also pretty much masters of sleeping literally anywhere they can.
reliably don a gas mask
Than a clean shaven man? I wouldn’t make that argument, if anything hair being equal… it’s the same between both genders. Getting over a ponytail or bun would be a pain in the ass in my opinion which isn’t available to the male gender in the military. Though I don’t know. I guess I could ask my wife, but I’m not interested in dragging her into some internet slapfight about sexism. I have longer hair now (past my shoulders) and it’s much more a pain in the ass than it was when I was in service, I guess I could put my hair up and try it and see… but I’m over pandering to random internet trolls.
Plus are generally better shots.
Under what conditions? What evidence do you have of this?
or accurately hit a target with a gun.
Carrying 150 lbs of equipment 10 miles and then getting into a firefight? Or on a civilian range where everything is comfortable and easy? Everyone range trainer I’ve talked to on this says it’s easier to train women… Not that they’re better overall. I am definitely a significantly better shot than my wife (she’s also a Veteran). But that’s a sample size of 2, so I try to ignore that.
But I have a feeling these were not the answers you were looking for.
Cool. So you were in the navy, air force, space force, or…???
ability to remove
And if they never have any in the first place?
clean shaven man
But cis women dont need work and extra toiletries to meet this standard by default. Can meet it after months behind enemy lines without extra effort or hours.
generally better shots
Lower avrg center of gravity is the big reason i remember, plus more points to brace from, if you’ve seen women carry heavy things.
150 lbs
Need a little less, and tebd to carry it better, but i know my aunt and i always made my dad look silly when we’d shoot on family camping trips, and those two got competitive about everything. I don’t think we were carrying 150, but it was a pretty serious hiking family, and i was a literal child.
First off… Copy and paste is free. Quote me accurately. I’ve already mentioned several times that I was Army.
But cis women dont need work and extra toiletries to meet this standard by default. Can meet it after months behind enemy lines without extra effort or hours.
Are you shitting me? Cis women don’t need extra toiletries? For MONTHS behind enemy lines? Shaving equipment is a handle and a few blades… and water. Where women would require pads, tampons, etc… right? I can keep a handle and blade in my pocket next to my knife (which also works as a makeshift shaving device btw…) and the granola bar I got out of my last MRE. Taking little space and next to no additional weight. You’ve got no idea.
Lower avrg center of gravity is the big reason i remember, plus more points to brace from, if you’ve seen women carry heavy things.
So then you have no idea what you’re even talking about since you need to “remember” it. And no… there are no magical addition points to brace from for a women in regards to carrying things in a combat situation. You need to keep your arms available to use your weapon. The only place to put equipment in on your kit or on your back. There is no additional mount points that either gender would have over the other.
I don’t think we were carrying 150
You weren’t carrying all your equipment in a war zone. Body armor, weapon, heavy clothes, radios, bags, nods, additional equipment… It tallys up quickly… Especially if you’re a crew gunner… or ammo carrier for the crew gunner. You cannot compare your civilian shit to active war. This is why I end up in these comments more often than I’d like… people like you seem to dream what the warfighter does and equate it to some random hike you took a couple times as a child… Not realizing the world of difference that it is. I’ve seen soldiers carrying Mk19’s around post for PT… that fucking thing is like 80 lbs on it’s own, forget the ammo.
At this point I’m disengaging with you. Feel free to get the last sentence in. But it’s clear you have no idea, and no interest in listening to those that do.
So, for the army being huge isn’t bad. Unless you’re in a vehicle. Where it all has to be bigger, and i assume there’s sone square cube nonsense with armoring larger compartments
don’t need extra toiletries to meet this standard
Whole sentence.
Also, plenty of non-disposable solutions exist.
handle few blades water
To get really close? For a gas mask? No.
since i need to remember
Yeah i guess i should just deduce the world from first principles whatever bullshit seems cool. Memory is for the weak.
unmodifued cis women do not come equiwith hard points as specified by US milspec #802.11n
Thats totally what i said. Fight me about it mr. Army man-but know that i am not an unmodified cis woman, im a punk with too many body mods, and will be equipped with 120mm guns on all five turrets. Also a split tounge, which will only matter if you bring your wife.
you werent carrying all your equipment in a war zone
Yes i was. I totally was and thats exactly what i said. My family took camping very seriously. When i was 6, my dad got us into bosnia, there was this hiking path just outside sarajevo with just the nicest sniper, and sone fun puzzles on tge ground, but the next year my aunt one-upped him with rwanda. It’s so pretty this time of year, especially with all the Halloweeny decorations they do! Probably my favorite vacation ever.
In all seriousness: it was a military family, we did not stick to trails, and i have carried large bags and people while being shot at and gassed-admittedly on paved streets-since. While avoiding cameras. So i think i have some idea. Though admittedly, i was pulling stuff out of people rather than shooting things after. Maybe none if the experience translates, idk.
So you’re saying there’s a gender that are generally worse shots and their bodies don’t tend to fit gas masks very well? Why would we let those people serve in the military?
I didn’t say or reference anything about gender. Go troll someone else. I met and married my wife while in service. We’re both veterans.
Well, trans people aren’t allowed anymore, and women tend to have a lot less and finer facial hair.
It’s not your main point, but is it untrue?
What does that have to do with a beard being a problem for wearing gas masks? Can you articulate any reasonable link between “a lot less and finer facial hair.” to a full beard being a problem?
Edit: Ran into your other comment… Are you claiming that Women shoot better than men and fit gas masks better? It seems unclear what your intent is here.
Women don’t tend to have, at military age, noticable beards at all.
Plus are generally better shots.
We could talk about trans people, but the us military already has a ban.
I’m sure a big strapping young man can swing a sword wonderfully, but that just doesn’t mean as much in modern war as the ability to sleep comfortably in a smaller bunk, reliably don a gas mask, or accurately hit a target with a gun.
I think this sop to masculine vanity is hurting the readiness of our armed forces, and it’s silly. People who are not suitable and not useful should not serve, and we shouldn’t waste tax money appeasing their egos.
So what does that have to do with this article of men being medically discharged from the military? I see nothing relevant.
Let’s look at your nonsense though…
I can accept this. This is true. However, that’s not the problem it’s not a matter of IF they have beards or not… it’s a matter of being able to REMOVE those beards for the use of the equipment.
Non-issue. We built our own hooches while deployed. Just give the soldiers wood and screws… they’ll build what they need. There is no “smaller” or “larger” bunk requirement. Soldiers in general are also pretty much masters of sleeping literally anywhere they can.
Than a clean shaven man? I wouldn’t make that argument, if anything hair being equal… it’s the same between both genders. Getting over a ponytail or bun would be a pain in the ass in my opinion which isn’t available to the male gender in the military. Though I don’t know. I guess I could ask my wife, but I’m not interested in dragging her into some internet slapfight about sexism. I have longer hair now (past my shoulders) and it’s much more a pain in the ass than it was when I was in service, I guess I could put my hair up and try it and see… but I’m over pandering to random internet trolls.
Under what conditions? What evidence do you have of this?
Carrying 150 lbs of equipment 10 miles and then getting into a firefight? Or on a civilian range where everything is comfortable and easy? Everyone range trainer I’ve talked to on this says it’s easier to train women… Not that they’re better overall. I am definitely a significantly better shot than my wife (she’s also a Veteran). But that’s a sample size of 2, so I try to ignore that.
But I have a feeling these were not the answers you were looking for.
Cool. So you were in the navy, air force, space force, or…???
And if they never have any in the first place?
But cis women dont need work and extra toiletries to meet this standard by default. Can meet it after months behind enemy lines without extra effort or hours.
Lower avrg center of gravity is the big reason i remember, plus more points to brace from, if you’ve seen women carry heavy things.
Need a little less, and tebd to carry it better, but i know my aunt and i always made my dad look silly when we’d shoot on family camping trips, and those two got competitive about everything. I don’t think we were carrying 150, but it was a pretty serious hiking family, and i was a literal child.
First off… Copy and paste is free. Quote me accurately. I’ve already mentioned several times that I was Army.
Are you shitting me? Cis women don’t need extra toiletries? For MONTHS behind enemy lines? Shaving equipment is a handle and a few blades… and water. Where women would require pads, tampons, etc… right? I can keep a handle and blade in my pocket next to my knife (which also works as a makeshift shaving device btw…) and the granola bar I got out of my last MRE. Taking little space and next to no additional weight. You’ve got no idea.
So then you have no idea what you’re even talking about since you need to “remember” it. And no… there are no magical addition points to brace from for a women in regards to carrying things in a combat situation. You need to keep your arms available to use your weapon. The only place to put equipment in on your kit or on your back. There is no additional mount points that either gender would have over the other.
You weren’t carrying all your equipment in a war zone. Body armor, weapon, heavy clothes, radios, bags, nods, additional equipment… It tallys up quickly… Especially if you’re a crew gunner… or ammo carrier for the crew gunner. You cannot compare your civilian shit to active war. This is why I end up in these comments more often than I’d like… people like you seem to dream what the warfighter does and equate it to some random hike you took a couple times as a child… Not realizing the world of difference that it is. I’ve seen soldiers carrying Mk19’s around post for PT… that fucking thing is like 80 lbs on it’s own, forget the ammo.
At this point I’m disengaging with you. Feel free to get the last sentence in. But it’s clear you have no idea, and no interest in listening to those that do.
On desktop. It’s a bitch and a half on mobile.
So, for the army being huge isn’t bad. Unless you’re in a vehicle. Where it all has to be bigger, and i assume there’s sone square cube nonsense with armoring larger compartments
Whole sentence.
Also, plenty of non-disposable solutions exist.
To get really close? For a gas mask? No.
Yeah i guess i should just deduce the world from
first principleswhatever bullshit seems cool. Memory is for the weak.Thats totally what i said. Fight me about it mr. Army man-but know that i am not an unmodified cis woman, im a punk with too many body mods, and will be equipped with 120mm guns on all five turrets. Also a split tounge, which will only matter if you bring your wife.
Yes i was. I totally was and thats exactly what i said. My family took camping very seriously. When i was 6, my dad got us into bosnia, there was this hiking path just outside sarajevo with just the nicest sniper, and sone fun puzzles on tge ground, but the next year my aunt one-upped him with rwanda. It’s so pretty this time of year, especially with all the Halloweeny decorations they do! Probably my favorite vacation ever.
In all seriousness: it was a military family, we did not stick to trails, and i have carried large bags and people while being shot at and gassed-admittedly on paved streets-since. While avoiding cameras. So i think i have some idea. Though admittedly, i was pulling stuff out of people rather than shooting things after. Maybe none if the experience translates, idk.