I hope BBC is a credible source because I read it all the time.

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      From what I read,and In my perspective, I don’t think either side really “won” that war. Just that the US had a better outcome.

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      I mean, their main rival the Soviet Union doesn’t even exist anymore so most people chalk that up as a win, yes. Obviously you can argue about how the US is doing currently, or that their main rival just shifted over to China, or whatever you want really. But when most people think of “the Cold War” it was between the US and the USSR and currently only one of those remains standing

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        in 2016, Russia, the successor state to the USSR, under the direction of its president, a former KGB agent, through a campaign of propaganda targeted at the American public, managed to install their agent into the presidency of the US, which did massive harm to the US economy, government institutions, and social cohesion and stability. to me that sounds like Cold War actors achieving Cold War goals through Cold War means

        if Putin doesn’t think the Cold War is over, then it’s not over

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          Its adorable when you guys with your movie plot theories try to explain the workings of geopolitics to communists

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            we’re seriously still denying Russian interference in the 2016 election? Trump’s own FBI confirmed it

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          I’m aware of Putin’s existence, history, and practices. I’m also aware that a lot in the world changed in the 25 years between 1991 and 2016. I’d be willing to hear an argument that Putin is trying to start Cold War 2, there’s some truth to that. But the first one? The consensus amongst most of the world is that it’s over and the US won. One man’s amition or opinion does not undo history, no matter what position he holds

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      Realistically, the Soviet leadership crashed the system.

      The Afghan War was supposed to be a walkover. Turned into a quagmire. They couldn’t get rid of Poland’s Solidarity Union, or Pope John Paul II.

      Three leaders died during Reagan’s term.

      Chernobyl was another sign that the entire architecture was getting ready to collapse.

      Gorbachev tried to modernize the bureaucracy, but oldtimers who’d been holding onto power for decades weren’t going to give up without a fight.

      Plenty of americans will claim that Reagan destroyed the USSR, but that’s just propaganda they’ve chosen to swallow.