• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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    4 days ago

    Do you even know the history of Haiti and why it is globally relevant? You CANNOT divorce that from the context of this.

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      Yes. And if he hadn’t slaughtered his White allies. Or been so oppressive to his own people I would probably think he was a pretty decent guy. He wasn’t. Like people in general he was a complicated and morally problematic person. How was slaughtering his white allies winning freedom for him and his people? Or do you view it as impossible to do wrong in pursuit of revolution?

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        I didn’t say any of those things, I am pointing out you are carrying water for european slavery empires by stripping the context.

        If you cannot get over the individual to understand the context, your understanding of people and history will continue to be egregiously broken and myopic.

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          No explicitly not. I’ve condemned France and the United States in plenty of places elsewhere in this thread for their behavior related to this. My critique of Dessalines is not defense of them. Or their empires.

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            I don’t really think you have done what you say, and if you have in this thread it has been from a defensive and reactive standpoint that concedes context and nuance rather than willingly invoking them.

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              Your belief means nothing. Did the Haitian massacre occur or did it not? If it did that is a genocide. And that is wrong regardless of who. That’s like saying I couldn’t criticize George Washington as being a human trafficker and slave owner. Simply because he freed the Americas from England.

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                The Haitian massacre did occur, but you’re making claims that white allies were killed. You specifically cited the Poles in Haiti who were among the population of whites granted amnesty and citizenship for their role in rejecting the French.

                You were categorically wrong and are trying to breeze past it.

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        4 days ago

        Okay so, since you didn’t quite understand it before:

        do you view it as impossible to do wrong in pursuit of revolution?

        That’s a strawman.