The lack of a U.S. carrier in the Pacific may be short-lived if the Navy deploys another in the next couple of months. But it shows how the open-ended operations with Iran are running some American sailors ragged, analysts say, while the Trump administration further retreats from the Asia-Pacific region and focuses on the Western Hemisphere.

“The administration says that the Pacific is supposed to be the most important behind the Western Hemisphere,” said Greg Poling, director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Instead, the U.S. is “doing the exact opposite” of its previously expressed goal of pulling out of the Middle East.

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    Leaders around the world are treating the US military defeat against Iran as a given and are planning for a future that does not include the US in any decisive role.

    The current response of the nations in the Middle East is telling: plans are being drawn up and security cooperations being forged, while pretty much ignoring the US altogether.

    Its likely a precursor for what we’ll see happen with nations surrounding the Sea of Japan and South China Sea in the upcoming months.

    The largest, most powerful nation on earth has literally botched this war. Militarily, politically and economically. And as a result we’re now witnessing the US led global world order unravel completely. I think we’ve entered a very scary time.

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      botched

      It was never winnable. No western nation would have won against Iran. The war is the dumbest war to begin with because of how unwinnable it was. Why are people acting as if Trump could have outsmarted Iran at any point ever? No NATO military leader would have won. The best choice for anyone is to just not start a war with Iran. A smart leader would have just not bombed Iran. No smart leader could win this war. That’s how stupid the war is. The smartest NATO leader right now, if they were fighting a war with Iran, would admit defeat.

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        It’s relatively easy to win that scenario you just have to commit 70 to 100k ground troops.

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          you should look up Iran on a topographic map some time, and see if you can find another example in history where the west (or russia for that matter) has failed to invade a country that is topographicaly similar, and much much smaller.

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            The invasion was fine, with full air support, the occupation isn’t a military challenge that’s a entirely social issue.

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          you simply don’t have a clue of the logistics nightmare that would be providing for that number of soldiers, specially now that Iran has bombed most USA bases that used to be around them

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          Troops who also quite likely would think the whole thing is an incredibly stupid farce, and that morale / commitment factor can’t be ignored.

          You can have tons of advanced tech, stockpiles of munitions, highly trained fighters, and still lose because they don’t even know or care why they’re there in the first place. History is full of examples.

          Defenders are fighting for their homeland, invaders are often (not always) there because their babydink leaders wanna be in a history book.

          Invasions and taking turf for national “interests” is just stupid strategy anymore, especially in a globally connected world, and troglodyte fossils like Dump and Pootin refuse to accept that reality.

          Vietnam, Korea, The Middle East, all of it has been a tragic waste of human lives and a national embarrassment.

          And somehow they keep getting to flavor it so the public will buy it, even while so many people personally know veterans that have been used up, maimed, and thrown out like garbage.

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            It’s not sarcasm, it’s a statement that winning a war against Iran is only a question of how many casualties you’re willing to accept.

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              We aren’t in theory land, we live in the real world. In the real world you are sarcastic. You also confuse simple with easy.

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      The US hasn’t won a war since WWIi, and our current leaders are literally the dumbest people who have ever managed a government. Nobody fears, or cares about America any more.