• Triasha@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Government getting involved and putting their thumb on the economy is as capitalist as it gets.

    South Sea Trading bubble, East India Company, Lake Eyrie Canal, trans continental railroad. Teapot Dome.

    The government has ALLWAYS had its thumb on the scale for big business interests and if you think that’s not true I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

    Right next to some beachfront property in Arizona.

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      2 days ago

      I don’t understand your comment.

      You’re listing things and going “BAD” so Capitalism is bad.

      A trading bubble is really just economics. Can’t really say Capitalism causes that. The East India Trading Company is mercantilism which as evil as that specific company was the idea of trading goods from one country to another is like the core of our entire economic trade system today. Teapot Dome was flagrant corruption which happens in any economic system, the Canal and the railroad are more examples of labor exploitation which you can easily argue was less bad than the labor exploitation that came before it and led to better labor laws in the country.

      It’s like you’re pointing at a gun and saying “FIRE MADE GUN, FIRE BAD!” because guns kill people. It’s pretty caveman.

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        1 day ago

        I mean, capitalist do the same thing with socialism every day. It takes a lot of propaganda to get people to believe that caring for your neighbors = bad.

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          1 day ago

          As someone who supports socialist movements I 100% agree. But I really think the big problem in the world right now is the misunderstanding of capital basically. People think capital or money or anything that involves government is capitalism? Or something? I don’t really understand.

          But just because people we might call capitalists pearl clutch about socialism doesn’t give someone the space to do the same back, or really just lie/be ignorant. We can definitely discuss the flaws of economic systems or the system we live under and some solutions. But stamping “CAPITALISM BAD” or “SOCIALISM BAD” literally gets us nowhere.

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            1 day ago

            Hard dissagree, the average American reads at a 5th grade level.

            If you want to have a higher level coveraation, sure, but for general messaging: CAPITALISM BAD is the only thing that will get through.