• antonim@lemmy.world
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    1 hour ago

    In no way am I elitist about it

    I think that equating respect for language with usage of the letter and vague guilt-tripping of people who don’t use it is elitist.

    the replacement of ‘ё’ with ‘е’

    It’s the other way around, actually, ‘e’ is the original letter and sound, the sound changed by the 18th century or so (as far as I’m aware) and then the modified letter was proposed but never made generally mandatory. People aren’t replacing anything, they’re writing same as always.

    ‘его’ is at least a typical consistent rule, mapping to the pronunciation ‘ево’ in the same places in various words

    The name Егор doesn’t follow it, but моего and сегодня do. Why? You have to explain the etymology of сегодня at the very least to make sense of it, undermining the consistency.

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      equating respect for language with usage of the letter and vague guilt-tripping of people who don’t use it is elitist

      Indeed, anyone using ‘q’ is better than others.

      Oh wait, could you please check real quick if ‘ё’, a letter of the alphabet taught in school, maps unambiguously to a specific sound?

      the modified letter was proposed but never made generally mandatory

      Well maybe it was proposed because ‘ё’ denotes a very particular sound? Which, notably, Western languages can never quite approximate with their feeble ‘yo’ attempts, though Nordic languages do have a vaguely similar ‘ø’ or somesuch.

      The name Егор doesn’t follow it, but моего and сегодня do. Why?

      Well, perhaps because the letters are in a different position? Why is /ˈlɔɹəns/ of Arabia not pronounced akin to /ˈsɛsəl/ B. Demille?

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        13 minutes ago

        So yeah, you haven’t really responded to the statement that your position is elitist, or at least smartassery that no linguist actually supports.

        maybe it was proposed because ‘ё’ denotes a very particular sound?

        Indeed. And then it wasn’t made generally mandatory, and then the Russian language continued to work fine.

        Which, notably, Western languages can never quite approximate

        Why would that be remotely notable here? We’re talking about Russian spelling of Russian language.

        perhaps because the letters are in a different position?

        And what is that position that makes the difference?