I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging. Hasan’s framing around Palestine has always been that there is currently 1 state (isntrael) because the isntraelis rule over all of Palestine. Therefore his demands are for Palestinians to get equal rights in addition to the right to return to their ancestral home and that all war criminals get put to justice. This means the destruction of isntrael, because it would make the Palestinians a majority who can decide over their own land (including its name and flag). Hasan says that latter part often enough that it’s ridiculous to pretend that he wants to preserve isntrael.
He’s just using a different messaging strategy. You can (and should) scrutinise his messaging strategy, but you’re just making things up if you imply that he’s not on our side on Palestine.
We arent “leftists” we are Marxist-Leninists. We read and we critique each other to better ourselves. His messaging “strategy” is a Fight Agency partnership to sheepdog people into the democratic party.
How is Hasan’s position here any different than any of the 5 communist countries that exist
Of the 5 communist countries that remain on earth only 2 don’t recognize Israel and even Cuba still considers a 2 state solution despite not recognizing Israel
You can criticize Hasan for other things but I don’t really see his position being all that different from communist countries ,if apartheid went away than it would mean Israel ending or a 2 state solution happening ,which is what a country like Cuba and even the DPRK technically supports ,the reason I say like is because I doubt the 2 state solution support from a country like France is the same one as countries like Cuba or the DPRK
There is only one country in the world that rejects a 2 state solution because it supports the Palestinian struggle and that’s Iran ,just Iran
Palestinians don’t want Israel to exist but I’ll give you an example ,I’m a Palestinian ,I live in the West Bank and my mom hates Israelis so much she’d rather have a 2 state solution than 1 state solution befause she doesn’t wanna live with them
Me personally I don’t believe in a 2 state solution
she’d rather that Israelis disappear but that’s not really possible ,they’re not gonna disappear on their own
Please don’t get angry or upset ,I’m not trying to attack you,I’m just trying to state my opinion as a Palestinian
You think a socdem endorsing graham platner, Ro Khanna, and Brad Landers is an ally to Palestine? The fight agency shill who is trying to normalize israelis as victims and misunderstood, I quote, “There’s hella Israeli Hasanabiheads;” is an ally to the Palestinian cause?
Personally it seems indicative of a potential parasocial attachment to Hasan.
Judging by the downvotes without any rebuttal it seems we got a couple of succdems lurking in our community. Don’t think we don’t know how to weed 'em out
This isn’t so much a difference in messaging as much as it is your internet hero being a liberal zionist. At the end of the day, sentiments like these are simply liberal zionist diatribes. There is no such thing as an Israel without apartheid. There must be a red line somewhere, and that red line is supporting the existence of an ethnostate. If this counts as “anti-zionist” then the word has lost all meaning in common parlance. Zionists support the existence of the ethnostate, while anti-zionists are against it. If you’re not willing to enforce that red line, then you may as well go join the Democratic Party and hang about with your fellow spineless liberals.
2 objects cannot occupy the same space. israel’s existance is predicated on the destruction of Palestine. There is no peace to be had with zionists. They see all non-zionists as sub human and will not honor a deal with sub-humans. Ethostates are incapable of existing in peace.
israel must be destroyed just as the the third reich was. (only more because clearly the third reich isn’t as destroyed enough.)
There is no “messaging strategy” here what he is saying is capitulation to imperialism.
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging
Me too, and I think that all these self-proclaimed MLs just succumbed to another cultural war. They were fooled into thinking that only pure intentions/actions are worthy, and any compromise is liberal betrayal. I guess they don’t understand materialism after all.
It is quite obvious that Israel would just cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights, but for these “MLs” doesn’t matter, they just want to post the “fell for it again” meme one more time.
“israel would cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights”
Yeah sure just like how South Africa is a perfect post-colonial paradise? You claim to be a materialist but you contradict yourself in your very own post.
I’m getting a bit tired of leftists fighting over differences in messaging. Hasan’s framing around Palestine has always been that there is currently 1 state (isntrael) because the isntraelis rule over all of Palestine. Therefore his demands are for Palestinians to get equal rights in addition to the right to return to their ancestral home and that all war criminals get put to justice. This means the destruction of isntrael, because it would make the Palestinians a majority who can decide over their own land (including its name and flag). Hasan says that latter part often enough that it’s ridiculous to pretend that he wants to preserve isntrael.
He’s just using a different messaging strategy. You can (and should) scrutinise his messaging strategy, but you’re just making things up if you imply that he’s not on our side on Palestine.
We arent “leftists” we are Marxist-Leninists. We read and we critique each other to better ourselves. His messaging “strategy” is a Fight Agency partnership to sheepdog people into the democratic party.
How is Hasan’s position here any different than any of the 5 communist countries that exist
Of the 5 communist countries that remain on earth only 2 don’t recognize Israel and even Cuba still considers a 2 state solution despite not recognizing Israel
You can criticize Hasan for other things but I don’t really see his position being all that different from communist countries ,if apartheid went away than it would mean Israel ending or a 2 state solution happening ,which is what a country like Cuba and even the DPRK technically supports ,the reason I say like is because I doubt the 2 state solution support from a country like France is the same one as countries like Cuba or the DPRK
There is only one country in the world that rejects a 2 state solution because it supports the Palestinian struggle and that’s Iran ,just Iran
Palestinians don’t want Israel to exist but I’ll give you an example ,I’m a Palestinian ,I live in the West Bank and my mom hates Israelis so much she’d rather have a 2 state solution than 1 state solution befause she doesn’t wanna live with them
Me personally I don’t believe in a 2 state solution
she’d rather that Israelis disappear but that’s not really possible ,they’re not gonna disappear on their own
Please don’t get angry or upset ,I’m not trying to attack you,I’m just trying to state my opinion as a Palestinian
You think a socdem endorsing graham platner, Ro Khanna, and Brad Landers is an ally to Palestine? The fight agency shill who is trying to normalize israelis as victims and misunderstood, I quote, “There’s hella Israeli Hasanabiheads;” is an ally to the Palestinian cause? Personally it seems indicative of a potential parasocial attachment to Hasan.
Judging by the downvotes without any rebuttal it seems we got a couple of succdems lurking in our community. Don’t think we don’t know how to weed 'em out
This isn’t so much a difference in messaging as much as it is your internet hero being a liberal zionist. At the end of the day, sentiments like these are simply liberal zionist diatribes. There is no such thing as an Israel without apartheid. There must be a red line somewhere, and that red line is supporting the existence of an ethnostate. If this counts as “anti-zionist” then the word has lost all meaning in common parlance. Zionists support the existence of the ethnostate, while anti-zionists are against it. If you’re not willing to enforce that red line, then you may as well go join the Democratic Party and hang about with your fellow spineless liberals.
2 objects cannot occupy the same space. israel’s existance is predicated on the destruction of Palestine. There is no peace to be had with zionists. They see all non-zionists as sub human and will not honor a deal with sub-humans. Ethostates are incapable of existing in peace.
israel must be destroyed just as the the third reich was. (only more because clearly the third reich isn’t as destroyed enough.)
There is no “messaging strategy” here what he is saying is capitulation to imperialism.
I don’t think you read my comment
Me too, and I think that all these self-proclaimed MLs just succumbed to another cultural war. They were fooled into thinking that only pure intentions/actions are worthy, and any compromise is liberal betrayal. I guess they don’t understand materialism after all.
It is quite obvious that Israel would just cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights, but for these “MLs” doesn’t matter, they just want to post the “fell for it again” meme one more time.
“israel would cease to exist if Palestinians had equal political rights”
Yeah sure just like how South Africa is a perfect post-colonial paradise? You claim to be a materialist but you contradict yourself in your very own post.
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Got me in the first half.
sounding fed much?
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