I do agree we’re going in circles and you’ve now backtracked significantly from “it’s irrefutable and conclusive, he’s an animal abuser” to “well, there’s a couple of circumstances where maybe this happened.” You went from nothing being inconclusive to a few circumstances that line up. There’s a legal distinction between evidence and circumstantial evidence for a reason.
There is no something. He claimed it was a “vibration collar”, which has been debunked already because people found the exact brand of the device he was using, and it’s a shock collar.
So, one thing which I’ve been hammering on. You’re now saying, again, we unequivocally know the exact model number of the shock collar. A claim without any proof. That’s my point and has been the whole time. People online can claim whatever they want. Sometimes it’s true. Most times it’s not. Meanwhile, we’ve got an entire anti-vax movement based on claims like this. But we also all know Trump is a co-conspirator in the Epstein files. These are circumstantial as you’ve said based on what we have, but I’d lean to the anti-vax level of assertion because we needs lots of assumptions, which is what I’ve been saying.
Again, if you have irrefutable proof of what collar it was, please, share it. A screenshot from Hasan’s stream with the model # visible, etc. (Though that also ignores the Ethan claim of it not being torturous like you claim, being mild at best) I’m sure you’d bring down Hasan at that point, similar to how actually credible accusations finally brought down Graham Platner. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong, but I won’t stand on faulty ground and claim facts based on assumptions. That was my whole point this entire time. And you’re right, based on what’s available, I don’t believe it. You do. That’s fine. I’m just pointing out how incredibly shaky your “irrefutable, evidence based judgement” really is and how you’ve retreated multiple times to more defensible positions.
So, if you’d like to pull out, feel free. My points stand solidly as I haven’t had to retreat this whole time.
I do agree we’re going in circles and you’ve now backtracked significantly from “it’s irrefutable and conclusive, he’s an animal abuser” to “well, there’s a couple of circumstances where maybe this happened.” You went from nothing being inconclusive to a few circumstances that line up. There’s a legal distinction between evidence and circumstantial evidence for a reason.
So, one thing which I’ve been hammering on. You’re now saying, again, we unequivocally know the exact model number of the shock collar. A claim without any proof. That’s my point and has been the whole time. People online can claim whatever they want. Sometimes it’s true. Most times it’s not. Meanwhile, we’ve got an entire anti-vax movement based on claims like this. But we also all know Trump is a co-conspirator in the Epstein files. These are circumstantial as you’ve said based on what we have, but I’d lean to the anti-vax level of assertion because we needs lots of assumptions, which is what I’ve been saying.
Again, if you have irrefutable proof of what collar it was, please, share it. A screenshot from Hasan’s stream with the model # visible, etc. (Though that also ignores the Ethan claim of it not being torturous like you claim, being mild at best) I’m sure you’d bring down Hasan at that point, similar to how actually credible accusations finally brought down Graham Platner. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong, but I won’t stand on faulty ground and claim facts based on assumptions. That was my whole point this entire time. And you’re right, based on what’s available, I don’t believe it. You do. That’s fine. I’m just pointing out how incredibly shaky your “irrefutable, evidence based judgement” really is and how you’ve retreated multiple times to more defensible positions.
So, if you’d like to pull out, feel free. My points stand solidly as I haven’t had to retreat this whole time.