I heard that back in the days, people used to just go when their work was done on the farms and there was no concept of 9-5 (these days seem 24 hours work). There used to be a lot of holidays. Is that true? If it is, then given the abundance in technology, why our work hours increased and why do we have such weird lives that we live to work?

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    The concept of 9-5, 5 days a week is exclusively from Unions and organized labour.

    As are the ideas of workers rights, any kind of safety regulation, minimum wages, paid days off(holidays and vacation).

    These ideas are going away because we forgot that Unions are critical to the idea of a middle class.

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      Even the one who are not identified as labors like IT guys, xyz engineers, they have a lot of pressure and the shitty corporate culture.

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        We need to fix this definition because it is wrong. Labor is anyone who gets paid to work. As opposed to Capital who makes money off of owning stuff.

        IT guys, engineers, doctors are labor unless they literally own the company.

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          I agree. The legal definition of a labor must be encompassing of these people too.

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          unless they literally own the company

          And even then, most of them are still labor. It’s shocking how many companies outsource to people who ‘own their own company’ to avoid labor laws. For example, Uber.

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        IT is a fairly new concept and companies have rigorously resisted the creation of either a union of IT workers or a society of one like doctors and engineers enjoy

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          Why would companies have a say in this? Lol

          Companies never like unions, it’s the workers who create them to protect ourselves

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            Because they intimidate people trying to organize, either subtly or with overt violence.

            They will also go after fundraising to block it, they will shut down locations where it is getting traction, they will outsource until the issue is dead, they will encourage the 1-2 year employment cycle silicon valley employs to prevent the kind of bonds that lend themselves to organizing.

            Edit: they will also just bribe the leaders and organizers. Everyone has a price.

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              I believe that for IT it was more the result of how the technology had increasing productivity and revenue that empowered IT employees to negotiate good contracts for themselves. Because of this they saw no need to organize and considered themselves in par with the owners of the company. Now LLMs are used to undermine IT work and that is partly why tables are turning.

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                The tables were already turning.

                Silicon Valley pushed a completely insane concept of free overtime for pizza and beer. They normalized the industry working 3-4 hours a day extra for free.