I think the mythicists are wrong (especially Richard Carrier who is a stupid asshole), I think there was probably a guy called Jesus who had followers, but we really don’t have much, if any, real evidence to back that up.
We have the Bible and 10 non Biblical mentions of Jesus. Unfortunately, every single one of the non-biblical writings are just describing Christians. They’re like “Christians are people who believe in a guy named Jesus who was killed by Romans.” While they prove that Christians existed when they were written, none of them lend any evidence to the existence of Jesus.
One of the most widely accepted arguments for believing he was real is that the Bible makes up a ridiculous census story that forces his parents to go to Bethlehem in order to fulfill the (misinterpreted) prophesy that the messiah would be born there. The argument is that he must have been real and born elsewhere for them to make up this dumb story.
There is no scholarly consensus concerning the historicity of most elements of Jesus’s life as described in the Bible, and only two key events of the biblical story of Jesus’s life have been widely accepted as historical, based on the criterion of embarrassment, namely his baptism by John the Baptist and his crucifixion by the order of Pontius Pilate,[8][9][10][11][12][13][14] though even the baptism-narrative has been questioned.[15] Furthermore, the historicity of supernatural elements like his purported miracles and resurrection are deemed to be solely a matter of ‘faith’ or of ‘theology’, or lack thereof.[note 3]
The idea that Jesus was a purely mythical figure has a fringe status in scholarly circles and has had no support in critical studies for more than a century, with most such theories going without recognition or serious engagement.[22][2][note 4]
Also, do you have a link? I’ve searched a few databases and don’t see a single paper called Christ Before Jesus. Or are you talking about the TikTok channel?
So nothing submitted and reviewed in an actual academic format? Otherwise “peer reviewed” holds no weight, because the peers could be other influencers, or those of actual scholarly credentials that all said “this is bad”
Jesus Christ was probably born… Never. No contemporary historical records support his existence.
Jesus is a pretty well-documented historical figured
If you disagree and have evidence no other scholar is privy to, I recommend a PhD in history as a strong avenue to correct the record.
I think the mythicists are wrong (especially Richard Carrier who is a stupid asshole), I think there was probably a guy called Jesus who had followers, but we really don’t have much, if any, real evidence to back that up.
We have the Bible and 10 non Biblical mentions of Jesus. Unfortunately, every single one of the non-biblical writings are just describing Christians. They’re like “Christians are people who believe in a guy named Jesus who was killed by Romans.” While they prove that Christians existed when they were written, none of them lend any evidence to the existence of Jesus.
One of the most widely accepted arguments for believing he was real is that the Bible makes up a ridiculous census story that forces his parents to go to Bethlehem in order to fulfill the (misinterpreted) prophesy that the messiah would be born there. The argument is that he must have been real and born elsewhere for them to make up this dumb story.
Paul Bunyan is better documented lmao
so is xenu. by your logic if there’s documentation it’s gotta be evidence right?
I don’t think you read your own link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Not sure what your argument is here. You own quote says that:
Nobody here is arguing that everything ever written about him is historical, just that he existed.
You clearly didn’t read the link either bud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Plenty of scholars believe he didn’t exist. Please check out Christ Before Jesus for more information.
There isn’t a single definition here that backs your use of plenty
Also, do you have a link? I’ve searched a few databases and don’t see a single paper called Christ Before Jesus. Or are you talking about the TikTok channel?
There is a TikTok channel as well as a book.
So nothing submitted and reviewed in an actual academic format? Otherwise “peer reviewed” holds no weight, because the peers could be other influencers, or those of actual scholarly credentials that all said “this is bad”