The mind is material. Recreate the material, recreate the mind.
I say Roko’s Basilisk is absurd because it presupposes weird backwards Bayesian bullshit, as if the AI deciding to torture me in the future has literally any impact at all on my decisions in the present. I totally buy into the concept of a simulation of me also being me, but the idea that the basilisk is going to project the threat of torture into the past is gibberish. It’s a waste of compute if nothing else.
a rational superintelligence would not independently conclude to torment anyone for the transgression of not helping it be born but its problem is still twofold
That’s metaphysical thinking
not really, because the material nature of the brain is still bound by it’s relation to the entire physical universe including space and time. that is to an extent metaphysics but not dualist. if you were to catch the essence of a specific brains ‘wiring diagram’ neurochemistry, microtubules or whatever at a specific moment in time you would need to duplicate its specific moment in time on reassembly. that’s what’s absurd, duplicating spacetime. it could only be done as a curiosity for the sake of it not as a resurrection or light-speed transport technology. even as a curiosity a flawless copy of an individual would need to copy them at the same place and time which leaves no opportunity or space to copy them at all because someone (the individual) is already there.
By this logic you’re always dying because your relation to the universe and space and time are constantly changing
i’m not destroyed in my voyage, my brain’s physical activity flows from moment to moment. the physics of our world must reconcile space and time to quantum mechanics and from there biology. forget that for a moment, i know it’s said that continuity interpretations lead us to saying i die if i fall asleep or get put into cryotherapy for medical emergencies (honestly i think one of those things is genuinely not like the others) but the implications are still more intuitive than the identity interpretation. you have to account for how consciousness is transmitted/stored in the interval when we agree it no longer exists and which of two simultaneously awakened copies is the rightful heir to the pattern donor’s mind. two laptops same make and factory of origin put side by side running the same software are still two distinct entities not the same one. the keyboard on one will not send instructions to both in and of itself.
Did I die when I was hit by a car and lost three weeks of memory? I just woke up in rehab one day, not really remembering anything that had happened before that moment. I blinked from one day to the hospital. My relation to the universe and space and time were changed with a very severe continuity disruption, way beyond simply going to sleep in one place and waking up somewhere else.
i think, honestly and i don’t say this to be a debatelord, if you depend on the idea that the technology will become available to resurrect you from this fascist hell then there’s a larger problem than feasibility. they’d need a cache of your brain state. that won’t come from the fascists. it’s not a healthy mechanism
I’m only saying that a simulation of me is me, not basing any sort of religious faith on this actually happening. It’s probably more likely than not that the human species will go extinct because fascists will burn all the coal and oil and launch every nuke. The current trajectory is not to build the god machine, it’s to kill everyone - another reason Roko’s Basilisk is absurd.
That’s metaphysical thinking tbh
The mind is material. Recreate the material, recreate the mind.
I say Roko’s Basilisk is absurd because it presupposes weird backwards Bayesian bullshit, as if the AI deciding to torture me in the future has literally any impact at all on my decisions in the present. I totally buy into the concept of a simulation of me also being me, but the idea that the basilisk is going to project the threat of torture into the past is gibberish. It’s a waste of compute if nothing else.
a rational superintelligence would not independently conclude to torment anyone for the transgression of not helping it be born but its problem is still twofold
not really, because the material nature of the brain is still bound by it’s relation to the entire physical universe including space and time. that is to an extent metaphysics but not dualist. if you were to catch the essence of a specific brains ‘wiring diagram’ neurochemistry, microtubules or whatever at a specific moment in time you would need to duplicate its specific moment in time on reassembly. that’s what’s absurd, duplicating spacetime. it could only be done as a curiosity for the sake of it not as a resurrection or light-speed transport technology. even as a curiosity a flawless copy of an individual would need to copy them at the same place and time which leaves no opportunity or space to copy them at all because someone (the individual) is already there.
By this logic you’re always dying because your relation to the universe and space and time are constantly changing
If you go to sleep tonight and someone shipped you across the world so you woke up in a different time and place, are you a new person?
i’m not destroyed in my voyage, my brain’s physical activity flows from moment to moment. the physics of our world must reconcile space and time to quantum mechanics and from there biology. forget that for a moment, i know it’s said that continuity interpretations lead us to saying i die if i fall asleep or get put into cryotherapy for medical emergencies (honestly i think one of those things is genuinely not like the others) but the implications are still more intuitive than the identity interpretation. you have to account for how consciousness is transmitted/stored in the interval when we agree it no longer exists and which of two simultaneously awakened copies is the rightful heir to the pattern donor’s mind. two laptops same make and factory of origin put side by side running the same software are still two distinct entities not the same one. the keyboard on one will not send instructions to both in and of itself.
Did I die when I was hit by a car and lost three weeks of memory? I just woke up in rehab one day, not really remembering anything that had happened before that moment. I blinked from one day to the hospital. My relation to the universe and space and time were changed with a very severe continuity disruption, way beyond simply going to sleep in one place and waking up somewhere else.
i think, honestly and i don’t say this to be a debatelord, if you depend on the idea that the technology will become available to resurrect you from this fascist hell then there’s a larger problem than feasibility. they’d need a cache of your brain state. that won’t come from the fascists. it’s not a healthy mechanism
I’m only saying that a simulation of me is me, not basing any sort of religious faith on this actually happening. It’s probably more likely than not that the human species will go extinct because fascists will burn all the coal and oil and launch every nuke. The current trajectory is not to build the god machine, it’s to kill everyone - another reason Roko’s Basilisk is absurd.