• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I care about securing the success of the Democrats.

    And moving to the right and throwing vulnerable minorities under the bus hasn’t done that, but it’s helping republicans to try to get the party to ever stop betraying anyone not named netanyahu or cheney.

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      2 days ago

      Irrelevant. You only get two options. Bad or worse. And if you fail to vote, you get worse.

      Youre a hostage. So am I. And until we get ranked choice voting, or run for office ourselves, we remain hostages. And in hostage situations, you just have to strive for the least bad option.

      It’s very not complicated. It’s rigged. And not in our favor.

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        Irrelevant. You only get two options. Bad or worse. And if you fail to vote, you get worse.

        I do vote and I get worse anyway. And centrist shitheads interpret anything other than performative worship of their garbage party as not voting. You don’t hjave to convince me to vote. You’re just trying to convince me to shut up. You’re getting what you want and you’re gloating.

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          I think my point is, you’re convincing other people to not vote. You may not intend that, but that’s certainly what you’re doing.

          But how about we meet halfway. For every complaint you post online to the internet, where some random person will read it and feel bad and not vote, I also would love if you called your actual Democrat representative and tried influencing them for the changes you want.

          That’s surely not asking too much, right?

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            I think my point is, you’re convincing other people to not vote

            That’s a convenient fiction you’ve concocted to silence valid criticism.

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              81,283,501 voted for Biden.

              75,017,613 voted for Harris.

              What is your explanation for why 6 million extra people stayed home? Because my explanation is that 6 million people were dissuaded by negative attitude towards Democrats in general. But I’m happy to change my opinion if there’s some good reasoning behind another explanation.

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                The explanation is that Biden was a terrible president, who fucked over the people that voted for him. The Democrats dissolusioned voters by telling them to ignore their eyes, and continue supporting someone who was clearly in severe cognitive decline. Harris was an uncharasmatic shell of a human, who said that she was going to continue highly unpopular polices, and gave no criticism of a highly unpopular president.

                Maybe the “…negative attitude towards Democrats in general”, is justified. It’s always amazing to me that Democrats think they have a Perception Problem, when they actually have a Reality Problem.

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                18 hours ago

                What is your explanation for why 6 million extra people stayed home? Because my explanation is that 6 million people were dissuaded by negative attitude towards Democrats in general.

                Clearly the only option is for all critics to shut up forever and pretend to love the genocide. Because that’s what you’re insisting on. AND NOTHING ELSE. The party will only get worse and that’s the way you like it.

                But I’m happy to change my opinion

                lol no you’re not.

                if there’s some good reasoning behind another explanation.

                There is no advocacy for the party ever stopping getting worse that you won’t immediately shout down as helping republicans. You like what the party is doing.