There is nothing moralizing about studying the situation and understanding the cause of it which is the criminal US regime oil siege and open piracy. People that understand the situation clearly will always reach solutions that actually impact positively with the Cubans.
Maliciously avoiding the discussion regarding criminal’s actions leaves you no better than the Miami fascist that keeps victim blaming the Cuban gov’t for the outages and deaths caused by the genocidal blockade. Same old same old fascist talking point of rinsing the hands of the USA.
So you admit the defeat is real but just have an issue with the framing (ie, who to blame, ie a blame game)? Because most of the panglossians here are just in complete denial that there is a defeat whatsoever. When the USSR was destroyed, that was partially the fault of the USA as well, but it was defeated nonetheless.
The USA, and imperialists in general, are an existing force that has to be combated and defeated. Saying “Socialism would have worked if it weren’t for the imperialists” is only true on a surface level, imperialism has to be defeated. Socialism cannot succeed until it does so. Our projects must take into account this existing force and overcome it. Seeing projects succumb to imperialists is painful, but it shows weaknesses in those projects that the imperialists were able to do so. We have to study past failures to overcome mistakes and weaknesses, but instead the defeatists here would rather just state that US Imperialism cannot be defeated and you can’t do anything at all but succumb. That Venezuela played this as well as possible, but still lost, because America cannot be overcome. There’s nothing to learn from, no mistakes to be corrected, the US just wins and what can you do? :)
It’s worrying because it shows you learned nothing and will advocate to do the same thing again. Around and around we go the revisionist carousel. So many socialist projects have collapsed or failed due to exactly this type of “strategic retreat” to the IMF but we refuse to examine why or push against the tendency.
My position on this is that this is a similar event to the Brest-Litovsk treaty where Lenin’s USSR where forced to give up valuable land and resource. To paint this picture clearly, the USSR ceded to Germany areas contained approximately 30% to 50% of Russia’s industrial base, population, and a vast majority of its coalfields. Just like that event, it is painful but not stifling that renders everyone from surpassing it.
As for your other two paragraphs, it seems to me that you already judged me with a lousy label, “defeatist”, and absurdities without actually reading what I have shared so far. First of all, I haven’t ever written that "US Imperialism cannot be defeated and you can’t do anything at all ". If your goal with responding to me is to paint an erroneous image about me then we can consider this conversation over. It is pointless to have unproductive conversations. We are going to waste each other’s time.
However, if you actually are looking to discuss what is materially available for Venezuela and Cuba to fight the current situation created by the US imperialist, then that will be a productive conversation that I am willing to have.
There is nothing moralizing about studying the situation and understanding the cause of it which is the criminal US regime oil siege and open piracy. People that understand the situation clearly will always reach solutions that actually impact positively with the Cubans.
Maliciously avoiding the discussion regarding criminal’s actions leaves you no better than the Miami fascist that keeps victim blaming the Cuban gov’t for the outages and deaths caused by the genocidal blockade. Same old same old fascist talking point of rinsing the hands of the USA.
So you admit the defeat is real but just have an issue with the framing (ie, who to blame, ie a blame game)? Because most of the panglossians here are just in complete denial that there is a defeat whatsoever. When the USSR was destroyed, that was partially the fault of the USA as well, but it was defeated nonetheless.
The USA, and imperialists in general, are an existing force that has to be combated and defeated. Saying “Socialism would have worked if it weren’t for the imperialists” is only true on a surface level, imperialism has to be defeated. Socialism cannot succeed until it does so. Our projects must take into account this existing force and overcome it. Seeing projects succumb to imperialists is painful, but it shows weaknesses in those projects that the imperialists were able to do so. We have to study past failures to overcome mistakes and weaknesses, but instead the defeatists here would rather just state that US Imperialism cannot be defeated and you can’t do anything at all but succumb. That Venezuela played this as well as possible, but still lost, because America cannot be overcome. There’s nothing to learn from, no mistakes to be corrected, the US just wins and what can you do? :)
It’s worrying because it shows you learned nothing and will advocate to do the same thing again. Around and around we go the revisionist carousel. So many socialist projects have collapsed or failed due to exactly this type of “strategic retreat” to the IMF but we refuse to examine why or push against the tendency.
My position on this is that this is a similar event to the Brest-Litovsk treaty where Lenin’s USSR where forced to give up valuable land and resource. To paint this picture clearly, the USSR ceded to Germany areas contained approximately 30% to 50% of Russia’s industrial base, population, and a vast majority of its coalfields. Just like that event, it is painful but not stifling that renders everyone from surpassing it.
As for your other two paragraphs, it seems to me that you already judged me with a lousy label, “defeatist”, and absurdities without actually reading what I have shared so far. First of all, I haven’t ever written that "US Imperialism cannot be defeated and you can’t do anything at all ". If your goal with responding to me is to paint an erroneous image about me then we can consider this conversation over. It is pointless to have unproductive conversations. We are going to waste each other’s time.
However, if you actually are looking to discuss what is materially available for Venezuela and Cuba to fight the current situation created by the US imperialist, then that will be a productive conversation that I am willing to have.