Your take is what, mental illness sufficient to cause someone to kill their kids is possible, and when it occurs it…is always also powerful and far-reaching enough to always degrade the ability to accomplish it? And/or being able to plan and accomplish it means they couldn’t have been fucked up heavily enough for mental illness to cause it?
I understand feeling strongly about the case, but that position is shallow and doesn’t add up. I’ve seen people undergoing psychotic breaks and heard about many more than I’ve seen. They can obviously plan and accomplish things, that’s kinda the whole problem for everyone else, where their internal wtf becomes external. And unlike merely drug-induced psychotic states, it doesn’t just fade with the dose, it dwells and lingers and festers and can become inescapable without help.
The things folks in that state can accomplish make no sense outside of their head, and shouldn’t be accomplished, but they don’t magically turn into a mush that can’t keep an idea coherent and “pull it off”. (Bad) Ideas remaining too coherent and consistent is kinda the whole problem? Your insistence of otherwise kinda reveals your lack of experience with the whole shebang, just being honest.
I’ve lived myself with psychotic breaks all my life (I’m ADHD, autistic and bipolar, these three things cause strong problems with emotional regulation), I know what I’m talking about because I have to live with 6 fucking chronical meds because of that.
I can tell you that one can’t do a plan that complex in that state. And when one’s calm, obviously that’s something that won’t be even thought if you’re a good person.
One can still act and do terrible things, yeah, but it’s more sort of instinctive and primal, reactive I’d say.
I certainly don’t want to minimize your own experiences and learning from them. But, it’s a huge stretch to then claim that what you’ve learned necessarily and reliably generalizes to all other experiences. It doesn’t follow.
We know that sometimes people can lose touch with reality and yet still make plans and carry them out. Stated that way it seems too abundantly true (to me) to bicker much about. Sounds like we just aren’t going to see it the same way probably.
Your take is what, mental illness sufficient to cause someone to kill their kids is possible, and when it occurs it…is always also powerful and far-reaching enough to always degrade the ability to accomplish it? And/or being able to plan and accomplish it means they couldn’t have been fucked up heavily enough for mental illness to cause it?
I understand feeling strongly about the case, but that position is shallow and doesn’t add up. I’ve seen people undergoing psychotic breaks and heard about many more than I’ve seen. They can obviously plan and accomplish things, that’s kinda the whole problem for everyone else, where their internal wtf becomes external. And unlike merely drug-induced psychotic states, it doesn’t just fade with the dose, it dwells and lingers and festers and can become inescapable without help.
The things folks in that state can accomplish make no sense outside of their head, and shouldn’t be accomplished, but they don’t magically turn into a mush that can’t keep an idea coherent and “pull it off”. (Bad) Ideas remaining too coherent and consistent is kinda the whole problem? Your insistence of otherwise kinda reveals your lack of experience with the whole shebang, just being honest.
I’ve lived myself with psychotic breaks all my life (I’m ADHD, autistic and bipolar, these three things cause strong problems with emotional regulation), I know what I’m talking about because I have to live with 6 fucking chronical meds because of that.
I can tell you that one can’t do a plan that complex in that state. And when one’s calm, obviously that’s something that won’t be even thought if you’re a good person.
One can still act and do terrible things, yeah, but it’s more sort of instinctive and primal, reactive I’d say.
I certainly don’t want to minimize your own experiences and learning from them. But, it’s a huge stretch to then claim that what you’ve learned necessarily and reliably generalizes to all other experiences. It doesn’t follow.
We know that sometimes people can lose touch with reality and yet still make plans and carry them out. Stated that way it seems too abundantly true (to me) to bicker much about. Sounds like we just aren’t going to see it the same way probably.