curtail the us 100% agree, stop exports to ukraine 100% disagree so they will be last on the list of parties i vote for
insane to think if Australia was invaded i’d want a bunch of other pacifists countries telling me how bad they feel and good luck
curtail the us 100% agree, stop exports to ukraine 100% disagree so they will be last on the list of parties i vote for
insane to think if Australia was invaded i’d want a bunch of other pacifists countries telling me how bad they feel and good luck
Really? No support for Ukraine?
They ally themselves with Trump’s main ally.
Will never vote Greens again.
They are against all arms trade in general. They do support other aid to Ukraine, and support tougher sanctions on Russia and Russia’s allies.
As usual, Greens have a nuanced policy of which one detail is being cherry picked by media to make them seem like they have an unpopular position.
Respectfully I disagree. These are as far as I can tell Shoebridge’s own words. A barrister and seasoned politician, who is familiar with the media landscape. This isn’t a case of the media cherry picking. Up to 70% of Australians support military aid for Ukraine so the reason that this is being reported on is because it’s not in-line with mainstream Australian views.
Honestly the argument that we should only provide aid if a UN Security council resolution is passed is weak. It would be like only ratifying Palestinian statehood if we first asked the US/Israel for permission.
If focusing on the most unpopular single thing he said without explaining how it fits into a broader policy isn’t cherry picking, what is?
Most Greens leaders are experienced politicians but they all seem fall into this pattern, even though they should see it coming. Left-leaning-leaders in general make the mistake of getting bogged down on an ethical position (no arms trade) that has minimal effect on the grand scheme of things (Australia has hardly any weapons industry compared to most European countries) and letting it turn people off their party rather than considering the realpolitik effect on the popular vote.
I don’t think that’s true. The Greens oppose Russian aggression. The policy supports UN-approved peacekeeping, including military aid for it.
The gap with this here is that the UN makes the UN Security Council responsible for deciding on peacekeeping missions, and the UNSC includes Russia as a permanent member (while excluding most states of the world), and allows any member to veto any resolution. So arguably a better fix here would be to adjust the criteria for when aid directed at peacekeeping should be provided.
Yeah, it sucks. They won’t wake up until they find themselves marching alongside One Nation and worse chanting support for Putin’s genocide. Perhaps not even then. They are the only environment, climate, social justice party of any substance and experience and they are still well worth a vote but they are stupidly naive on some issues. They need a long sit down with the German greens and a frank talk about Putin and Afd.
Here’s what Greens (including David Shoebridge) are actually advocating for in Parliament: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Foreign_Affairs_Defence_and_Trade/UkraineSupport47/Report/Additional_Comments_from_the_Australian_Greens - note they are very much not supporting Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine.
A position against aggression is a good one, the mistake here is deferring to the UN Security Council to decide which aggressors we should retaliate against, which is sadly a flawed mechanism.
The Greens are against all arms trade in general. They don’t want to send weapons overseas for that reason but do support other aid to Ukraine, Notably, they support tougher sanctions on Russia and Russia’s allies (including those buying Russian fossil fuels).
None of that is “marching alongside One Nation”. The Greens have a pacifist policy - one might say naively pacifist - but it’s the opposite policy of Pauline Hanson’s One Neuron, who want to give away Australian land to US arms manufacturers and are all for the sale of fossil fuels and bombs to anyone.