I was banned for supporting the right of people in eastern Ukraine for not wishing to be part of the state banning their language and doing g pogroms not just against Russians bot Jews and Roma people for 12 years prior to the Russian intervention.
Tanuki was banned just for posting a video of civilians being kidnapped off the street to be forced into a war they know is a lost cause.
If this is what you call Anarchism I am ashamed of you.
Pro Ukrainian state. It’s quite clear. And the “Russian aggression” only began after over a decade of people in Donbas having their own attempts at self determination met with brutal retaliation and repression.
Gotta have some real tortured logic to say “free state of Ukraine” follow it up with the Banderite slogan “slava Ukraini” and then pretend not to be throwing in pn the side profile the fascists.
Also my accusations of antisemitism are not “thinly veiled” I am literally telling you that since 2014 Azov and other elements of Ukrainian state forces have literally doing pogroms against not just ethnic Russians in the east, but Roma and Jews all over the country for over 12 years now. If you deny it, I just assume you’re a fascist.
Also Unruffled you have a very long history of fascist apologizing so you really are only helping prove my point here.
In all the time I’ve known @flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I don’t recall ever hearing them utter a pro-Ukrainian slogan of any kind. This is just utter nonsense and an outright lie.
They have to lie about Unruffled because they have nothing else.
Someone in this thread did.
What does that have to do with Unruffled?
Unruffled is the one that banned me. But they did not address any of the true things that I or Tanuki said. This is a well established pattern with this particular mod.
To reframe this, my pattern of behavior can be more accurately described as not getting into pointless debates with tankies, in order to keep the peace. That is a well established pattern of behavior I am ok with being called out for. HB came into an anarchist community and started all this tankie bullshit, not me.
But Hexbear insulted you, said you did things you didn’t do, and then attacked you for defending yourself. Left unity is when you let them lie about anarchists.
But don’t you dare link to crimes the USSR did. Or say China isn’t a utopia.
why would they need to defend things that somebody else said? that’s dumb as fuck.
None of this makes any sense. I they are just upset they aren’t allowed to spread Russian propaganda talking points on our instance. Why? Who knows. Nothing has changed in that respect since day one. It’s just pointless drama farming I guess.
“Unruffled said this”
“No they didn’t”
“Well someone else did”
Top minds hard at work from Hexbear. As always, you’re just upset you aren’t allowed to spread Russian propaganda talking points on our instance.
Pro the invaded is another way of looking at it.
What are you even talking about?
I think you are replying to the wrong person.
Yes I’m a huge fascist, you caught me!
This implies that the universe somehow spontaneously came into being the day Russian forces entered Ukraine.
They were in a civil war… Do you think that if a civil war broke out in Mexico that the US would have been there WAY sooner than Russia did in this case?
The Civil war in Ukraine started with Crimea wanting to leave because of the rapid Nazification of the Ukrainian government. That is why they overwhelmingly voted on a referendum to separate and the only way to do so without being genocided was to join the RF.
Then the Nazi faction of the Ukrainian right basically consolidated power and kept doing pogroms and indiscriminately shelling the east as Donbas followed suit. This only escalated the conflict and proved that there was a re-emergence of the Banderite movement that collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. The slogan “Slava Ukaraini” was one of their most known chants.
I am not Pro-Russia. I recognize the right of self determination of all people, and that does not put me in a position to criticize them when they can take support from whoever possible in the face of Nazism and Imperialism.
I do not criticize Iran for being aligned with Russia for the purpose of their survival. I do not criticize any state for seeking aid from yet another enemy of the US empire for assistance no matter how flawed that state may be.
An invasion is not self-determination though. And surely nobody with half a brain buys the idea that the Russians weren’t doing everything they could to incite and/or exacerbate problem in these regions to provide a useful pretext for the invasion. Including sending Russian neo-nazis to the region. It’s so fucking obvious it barely needs pointing out, but since you have your blinkers on.
Yep, that’s the current notion of what “critical” support looks like. We don’t do that here. Sometime the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.
LOL
It’s amazing how Hexbear says you’re a fascist for not supporting Russia, while .world says we’re all Tankies for not supporting the Democrats.
Everyone’s a critic, that’s no lie. It’s frustrating being an anarchist when the folks who should be your natural allies are mostly rabid campists.
But muh left unity
this is not an either/or situation. because you lack the imagination to envision a third option without ether state, does not have anything to do with anyone else. that is your own shortcoming.
ukraine is a region. a free ukraine does not mean one controlled by a state. that is not freedom. also, at no point did @flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com say that.
it is funny you should mention that. since 2014 the russian imperial movement, a neo-nazi monarchist movement in russia has deployed militia to ukraine with the sanction of the russian government. a fact very conveniently left out of pro-russian leftists arguments. moth wonders why that is.