Far more useful… The soviet union was an ally of fascist nazi Germany.
The allies liberated western Europe and supplied loads of machinery to the soviet union. And thank god they did. And thank god they didn’t stop further west.
We can spend all day condemning the German–Soviet Pact to the lowest depths of Hell and overrate its importance to be greater than every other event in history combined. It won’t get us a damn bit closer to understanding the circumstances that made it a likely outcome. Because unlike you, I take tragedies seriously by thoroughly examining their causes as well as their effects. That is why I taught people about the Pact from the Fascist bourgeoisie’s point of view whereas generic antisocialists have bupkes to say about that subject.
So the secret clause was inevitable and necessary. The soviet union had to attack Poland together with Germany and had to do horrible atrocities while doing so? You don’t take anything serious other than soviet apologism.
It was no doubt disgraceful that Soviet Russia should make any agreement with the leading Fascist state; but this reproach came ill from the statesmen who went to Munich. […] [The German–Soviet] pact contained none of the fulsome expressions of friendship which Chamberlain had put into the Anglo‐German declaration on the day after the Munich conference.
Indeed Stalin rejected any such expressions: “the Soviet Government could not suddenly present to the public German–Soviet assurances of friendship after they had been covered with buckets of filth by the [Fascist] Government for six years.” The pact was neither an alliance nor an agreement for the partition of Poland. Munich had been a true alliance for partition: the British and French dictated partition to the Czechs.
— A.J.P. Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War, pg. 262
When [the Fascists] attacked Poland, the Soviets moved into Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, the Baltic territories that had been taken from them by Germany, Britain, and Poland in 1919. They overthrew the [anticommunist] dictatorships that the Western counterrevolutionaries had installed in the Baltic states and incorporated them as three republics into the USSR. The Soviets also took back Western Byelorussia, the Western Ukraine, and other areas seized from them and incorporated into the Polish [anticommunist] dictatorship in 1921 under the Treaty of Riga.
This has been portrayed as proof that they colluded with the [Fascists] to gobble up Poland, but the Soviets reoccupied only the area that had been taken from them twenty years before. History offers few if any examples of a nation refusing the opportunity to regain territory that had been seized from it. In any case, as Taylor notes, by reclaiming their old boundaries, the Soviets drew a line on the [Fascist] advance which was more than what Great Britain and France seemed willing to do.
— Michael Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar, pgs. 144–145
So you really argue that the secret clause never existed and all those lands they occupied were actually just occupied soviet/russian territory?
For proof you cite someone who is a milosevic apologist. If you want to go back in history with all your land claims. Russia is really Ukrainian. Russia should seize it’s lands. What a puddle of shit.
"the claim that the Soviet Union was at the time threatened by Hitler, as Stalin supposed … is a legend, to whose creators Stalin himself belonged.[288] In Maser’s view, “neither Germany nor Japan were in a situation [of] invading the USSR even with the least perspective [sic] of success,”
its crazy that there are statements like this, when the invasion literally did happen.
Now cite every single other pact signed with Nazi Germany. Or are you just gonna talk about the one the Soviets did to buy time to be able to beat the Nazis?
Usa had and has the full control over nazi germany they taught hitler and all the other nazis their evil but the burgerreich colonizers were and are far, far more evil and depraved than nazis could even think of
Let me get this straight. If two countries have a pact to occupy a third country and act on said pact to occupy that state together are they allies or enemies? This held until 1941.
you can try to isolate any point of time you want and ignore history but the matter of fact is that nazi germany invaded the soviet union and everyone and their mother knew it was going to happen since Hitler was not particularly shy when talking about his goals on the region or his views on the “judeobolsheviks”. this nonsense that the soviet union wanted to “secretly join the axis” is ahistorical and frankly dumb.
Far more useful… The soviet union was an ally of fascist nazi Germany.
The allies liberated western Europe and supplied loads of machinery to the soviet union. And thank god they did. And thank god they didn’t stop further west.
No, the relations between Fascist Italy and the Third Reich were an alliance. The relations between the Slovak Republic and the Third Reich were an alliance. The German–Soviet Pact was 1.8 years of neutrality, which the Western Axis broke by launching the largest and deadliest invasion in all of history, yet for some reason antisocialists seem far more interested in the Pact than the invasion.
We can spend all day condemning the German–Soviet Pact to the lowest depths of Hell and overrate its importance to be greater than every other event in history combined. It won’t get us a damn bit closer to understanding the circumstances that made it a likely outcome. Because unlike you, I take tragedies seriously by thoroughly examining their causes as well as their effects. That is why I taught people about the Pact from the Fascist bourgeoisie’s point of view whereas generic antisocialists have bupkes to say about that subject.
So the secret clause was inevitable and necessary. The soviet union had to attack Poland together with Germany and had to do horrible atrocities while doing so? You don’t take anything serious other than soviet apologism.
— A.J.P. Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War, pg. 262
— Michael Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar, pgs. 144–145
So you really argue that the secret clause never existed and all those lands they occupied were actually just occupied soviet/russian territory?
For proof you cite someone who is a milosevic apologist. If you want to go back in history with all your land claims. Russia is really Ukrainian. Russia should seize it’s lands. What a puddle of shit.
The secret clause is a proven fact
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Discovery_of_the_secret_protocol
Oh. That is a good point. You really showed me how wrong I was. I wish that I were as smart as you.
You’ll be shocked to learn that this German Anti-Communist is also a defender of Zionism and a denier of Palestinian genocide.
lol can’t say i am surprised
Neither can I, seems more to me that they are lashing out because their preferred side lost World War II.
if its in wikipedia its a proven fact lmao.
its crazy that there are statements like this, when the invasion literally did happen.
Thanks.
Are you writing nazi fanfiction now?
aight 😂 i must’ve imagined the war then
Aight must’ve imagined Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
Now cite every single other pact signed with Nazi Germany. Or are you just gonna talk about the one the Soviets did to buy time to be able to beat the Nazis?
But hey only the Molotov Ribbentrop pact had a secret clause about the baltics and Poland. So that’s the one they teach you about.
At least the soviet union is dead and Russia is a pariah. I hope you’re at work. Anyways have fun in your fantasy world.
Usa had and has the full control over nazi germany they taught hitler and all the other nazis their evil but the burgerreich colonizers were and are far, far more evil and depraved than nazis could even think of
Let me put this clear, if countries go to war with each other, are they allies or enemies?
Let me get this straight. If two countries have a pact to occupy a third country and act on said pact to occupy that state together are they allies or enemies? This held until 1941.
you can try to isolate any point of time you want and ignore history but the matter of fact is that nazi germany invaded the soviet union and everyone and their mother knew it was going to happen since Hitler was not particularly shy when talking about his goals on the region or his views on the “judeobolsheviks”. this nonsense that the soviet union wanted to “secretly join the axis” is ahistorical and frankly dumb.