I genuinely need people to explain to me how if a bunch of drunk and high PEOPLE fuck EACH OTHER, it’s only the woman that’s raped, and only the men that are responsible for any drunk actions.
Sex is something, in general, that you do together. Why the hell do you expect a bunch of smart judgement calls from men, but not from the woman? Unless, of course, you subscribe to the patriarchal norms that no woman could ever like “just sex”, and that sex is always something men “inflict” on women.
she wasn’t sober enough to text 9 plus of her guy friends to come in and run on train on those guys who were using with her. They were, because they did just that.
I was pretty wild in my 20s, I went to a lot of parties with a lot of drugs and alcohol and naked people, and things happened, but somehow I never raped anyone. if someone slapped me away, seemed AT ALL annoyed, I moved on, and I certainly didn’t find someone high and horny and responded by texting 9 of my guy friends to come in and fuck them, explicitly stating that they didn’t need to even try to check if it was OK and just go ahead and whip it out, that sounds like rape from every angle I can think of. I remember at that age a friend telling me a horror story about a girlfriend of hers showing up high to have consenting sex at a place and then being raped by multiple men. it’s not about who’s high and who’s a woman and after the fact deciding what it was, it was rape when she got too high to decide, and it kept being rape when they kept calling in more and more men FOR HOURS to keep raping her. if a friend of mine texted me and says ‘hay this girl is real high and do you want to come in here and fuck her, she’ll be fine with it’ I’ll go ahead and not do that. and block them. what the fuck. that’s clearly wrong on so many levels, even anonymous group sex and consensual non consent have more levels of not rape than that. this isn’t even the first time a woman has stated they were OK with several men having sex with them and then it went too far and she had no way of stopping the situation and then after hours of being in that situation she felt it was pretty clearly rape from the men’s point of view as well. if you’re involved in group sex and you don’t know what stop means or what ‘I’m tired’ or a deep sigh of not into this anymore means, or what a safeword is for, or you don’t know where their limits are, and you’ve never heard of aftercare, you aren’t kinky, you’re a fucking rapist. this ISN’T how people who do drugs and have group sex operate, everyone has limits, some people AREN’T into pain, you don’t just decide once the ball is rolling, you have to have communication and a clear way out for everyone at any second, and even a little resistance or annoyance should be significantly noticed and responded to. I managed to do this when I was high and drunk. it’s not hard, you just don’t rape people
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I genuinely need people to explain to me how if a bunch of drunk and high PEOPLE fuck EACH OTHER, it’s only the woman that’s raped, and only the men that are responsible for any drunk actions.
Sex is something, in general, that you do together. Why the hell do you expect a bunch of smart judgement calls from men, but not from the woman? Unless, of course, you subscribe to the patriarchal norms that no woman could ever like “just sex”, and that sex is always something men “inflict” on women.
she wasn’t sober enough to text 9 plus of her guy friends to come in and run on train on those guys who were using with her. They were, because they did just that.
I was pretty wild in my 20s, I went to a lot of parties with a lot of drugs and alcohol and naked people, and things happened, but somehow I never raped anyone. if someone slapped me away, seemed AT ALL annoyed, I moved on, and I certainly didn’t find someone high and horny and responded by texting 9 of my guy friends to come in and fuck them, explicitly stating that they didn’t need to even try to check if it was OK and just go ahead and whip it out, that sounds like rape from every angle I can think of. I remember at that age a friend telling me a horror story about a girlfriend of hers showing up high to have consenting sex at a place and then being raped by multiple men. it’s not about who’s high and who’s a woman and after the fact deciding what it was, it was rape when she got too high to decide, and it kept being rape when they kept calling in more and more men FOR HOURS to keep raping her. if a friend of mine texted me and says ‘hay this girl is real high and do you want to come in here and fuck her, she’ll be fine with it’ I’ll go ahead and not do that. and block them. what the fuck. that’s clearly wrong on so many levels, even anonymous group sex and consensual non consent have more levels of not rape than that. this isn’t even the first time a woman has stated they were OK with several men having sex with them and then it went too far and she had no way of stopping the situation and then after hours of being in that situation she felt it was pretty clearly rape from the men’s point of view as well. if you’re involved in group sex and you don’t know what stop means or what ‘I’m tired’ or a deep sigh of not into this anymore means, or what a safeword is for, or you don’t know where their limits are, and you’ve never heard of aftercare, you aren’t kinky, you’re a fucking rapist. this ISN’T how people who do drugs and have group sex operate, everyone has limits, some people AREN’T into pain, you don’t just decide once the ball is rolling, you have to have communication and a clear way out for everyone at any second, and even a little resistance or annoyance should be significantly noticed and responded to. I managed to do this when I was high and drunk. it’s not hard, you just don’t rape people