you don’t know that she was conscious the entire time.
I don’t. I never claimed I do. But I also don’t tend to say people are criminals based on things that could have happened but I don’t know if happened. I made it clear what facts I was assuming.
There’s also the snapchat offering her as “free pussy” which even the men haven’t said she agreed to.
I didn’t read about this. If there were explicit images of her taken or distributed without consent, that is a crime. Not rape, but a reprehensible crime that they should be imprisoned for.
There’s multiple men, she was outnumbered and heavily under the influence…
The first doesn’t matter (criminally speaking, not making moral judgments here), the second only if she wasn’t able to give consent.
Consent has to be freely given
Yes. But any coercion must actually exist, not just be in your head.
Now I wasn’t there, I don’t know if there was coercion or she passed out or anything else. But I saw nothing so far that would make me believe they raped her, even in the parts of her statement that were released. People should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty and here even the accusers statement doesn’t seem to hold much, let alone any independent evidence.
Do the gaps not raise a concern for you? And even the men don’t say she wanted the snapchat message sent, showing she didn’t consent to being offered. Abd I disagree that multiple men being in the room doesn’t matter, as it creates fear/intimidation.
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I don’t. I never claimed I do. But I also don’t tend to say people are criminals based on things that could have happened but I don’t know if happened. I made it clear what facts I was assuming.
I didn’t read about this. If there were explicit images of her taken or distributed without consent, that is a crime. Not rape, but a reprehensible crime that they should be imprisoned for.
The first doesn’t matter (criminally speaking, not making moral judgments here), the second only if she wasn’t able to give consent.
Yes. But any coercion must actually exist, not just be in your head.
Now I wasn’t there, I don’t know if there was coercion or she passed out or anything else. But I saw nothing so far that would make me believe they raped her, even in the parts of her statement that were released. People should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty and here even the accusers statement doesn’t seem to hold much, let alone any independent evidence.
Do the gaps not raise a concern for you? And even the men don’t say she wanted the snapchat message sent, showing she didn’t consent to being offered. Abd I disagree that multiple men being in the room doesn’t matter, as it creates fear/intimidation.