• Lumisal@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Would it perhaps leave Vegans in place? Especially vegans that eat and farm plants that remove more emissions than trees do?

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        Pray tell how any non-tree plant removes emissions unless you chuck it into a five-kilometers-deep mine.

        Trees specifically only ‘remove emissions’ if you plant more of them than get rotten or burnt.

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          12 hours ago

          Algae gets eaten by plankton, which get eaten by whales, which then fall to the bottom of the ocean when dead, which then get eaten by scavengers that live in the ocean floor, which then turn into sediment when they die.

          Also, any plants you eat get turned into shit, which can then be used as fertilizer mixed into the dirt to grow more plants.

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            Do oceans not have bacteria that break down organic matter? Does ocean water not contain oxygen that combines with carbon during decomposition?

            plants you eat get turned into shit, which can then be used as fertilizer mixed into the dirt to grow more plants.

            Is animal flesh not turned into shit? Are fertilizers carbon? Or do they rather provide nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium? And even if it is carbon, does shit dumped into fields not rot?

            Your last proposition implies that it’s the continuous production of shit and new plants that’s keeping the carbon bound. But it means then that the humans are actually the store of carbon. Maybe we should chuck humans into five-kilometers-deep mine shafts.

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        Probably not, vegans still contribute to global warming, just less so in one area. Even if there existed a person who made perfect consumption choices in every case, they still occasionally need to travel by motor, they use some form of heating, and they use buildings which used cement at some point in their construction or during renovations. Also, we’re all pretty inefficient digesters, and the more fiber you eat, the more methane you emit.

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          2 days ago

          What about a vegan solarpunk Amish person then? Especially if they plant more trees than what was used by their log cabin?

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            I’m pretty sure an Amish vegan would starve/freeze to death (especially if you consider handmade fabrics growable in the climates they live in or transported without the use of engines or horses), but if one existed, they’d also have to refuse to pay their taxes. They’d also obviously have to be one of the Amish who don’t use modern medical care or all manner of modern technology for work. I’m also not sure how resource intensive Amish tools are- if they have traditional blacksmiths, where do they get the metal?

            But really, it depends on your inputs: the quickest/simplest ways to cool the planet would also probably render it unlivable for most humans- there are probably a few ways an AI could generate massive ash clouds that block out enough sunlight to bring the temperature down. In that scenario, there would probably be some humans who survive, but they’d probably be in places with very small and non resource intensive populations, so most of eastern North America is automatically out.