Look, I hate capitalism and fast fashion as much as the next woman, but socially we’re treated as if our value is within our looks, of which we all know are mostly outfits, hairdos, and makeup catered to the male gaze. So I mean, good for her, and who cares if it didn’t materially change her life for the better or change her habits. It’s quite possibly a whole ass outfit no less, top and skirt, not one whole piece. If it made her feel good and she likes it enough to be lounging around in it a week later, I don’t see the issue. I don’t know, let women have fun. (and that includes you, Stushona! let yourself have fun!)
we all know are mostly outfits, hairdos, and makeup catered to the male gaze.
I wouldn’t say mostly, it’s sadly mostly unchangeable body and facial characteristics. If a man finds a women attractive or unattractive odds are that will be regardless of clothes, hair, makeup etc. odds are a man will treat and value the women in panel 1 and panel 4 equally.
Most of the effort and signalling that women put into there clothes will go right over most hetero men’s heads.
I mean, you’re right, looks do matter socially. Caring about appearance is not shallow.
But if I think about the women I admire most and that I love, looks are never the valuable part. It’s their kindness, their strength, their humour, their competence, their character - that’s what’s really captivating!
And if they feel good in a cute dress, or in a teddy bear pajama onesie, I’m here for either!
No heterosexual man will be able to tell you accurately what you have on, even though he just looked at you 10 seconds ago.
Yeesh, either you’re a terrible partner or you’ve had a string of terrible partners and are speaking from personal experience… but I mean I guess all that research that shows that men very much do care what women wear (especially women they aren’t dating, famous women even moreso) must mean nothing…
I’m a man. I definitely notice if my woman is dressed up nice or not. I have a shit memory, so I might fail your test, but I notice what she wears, especially if it’s different from the usual.
If by “heterosexual men don’t care” you mean “I dont care,” then sure. Sounds like you’re just telling on yourself for not being interested in your partners tastes and trying to pass it off as a common trait of “all straight men.”
Nah. I can do the above challenge, as can lots of people, straight/gay/etc. If you and your partner don’t care thats fine, but dont try to paint billions of men with your same disinterest to make yourself feel better about it.
Agreed. My wife went upstairs a half hour ago and I remember what she’s wearing. But early on she stopped taking me clothes shopping because I just said “wow, you look great!” to everything she tries on, which is understandably unhelpful.
I wasn’t trying to do it. I legitimately think she looks great in everything. I’ve tried to be more aware and conscious of what she’s trying to do with her outfits in the past 16 years, though, so I can comment on it thoughtfully; but it requires a specific type of effort that I am sure comes easier and harder to some men.
Look, I hate capitalism and fast fashion as much as the next woman, but socially we’re treated as if our value is within our looks, of which we all know are mostly outfits, hairdos, and makeup catered to the male gaze. So I mean, good for her, and who cares if it didn’t materially change her life for the better or change her habits. It’s quite possibly a whole ass outfit no less, top and skirt, not one whole piece. If it made her feel good and she likes it enough to be lounging around in it a week later, I don’t see the issue. I don’t know, let women have fun. (and that includes you, Stushona! let yourself have fun!)
I wouldn’t say mostly, it’s sadly mostly unchangeable body and facial characteristics. If a man finds a women attractive or unattractive odds are that will be regardless of clothes, hair, makeup etc. odds are a man will treat and value the women in panel 1 and panel 4 equally.
Most of the effort and signalling that women put into there clothes will go right over most hetero men’s heads.
I’m curious what makes you feel that way?
I mean, you’re right, looks do matter socially. Caring about appearance is not shallow.
But if I think about the women I admire most and that I love, looks are never the valuable part. It’s their kindness, their strength, their humour, their competence, their character - that’s what’s really captivating!
And if they feel good in a cute dress, or in a teddy bear pajama onesie, I’m here for either!
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Being able to describe what someone is wearing and passing judgment on someone based on what they are wearing are two separate things.
Yeesh, either you’re a terrible partner or you’ve had a string of terrible partners and are speaking from personal experience… but I mean I guess all that research that shows that men very much do care what women wear (especially women they aren’t dating, famous women even moreso) must mean nothing…
It’s both. “Societal” pressure is not gendered. It comes from everywhere, women and men.
I’m a man. I definitely notice if my woman is dressed up nice or not. I have a shit memory, so I might fail your test, but I notice what she wears, especially if it’s different from the usual.
If by “heterosexual men don’t care” you mean “I dont care,” then sure. Sounds like you’re just telling on yourself for not being interested in your partners tastes and trying to pass it off as a common trait of “all straight men.”
Nah. I can do the above challenge, as can lots of people, straight/gay/etc. If you and your partner don’t care thats fine, but dont try to paint billions of men with your same disinterest to make yourself feel better about it.
I mean… You could’ve gone for a much less extreme attempt at exemplifying it with the classic, “take your man clothes shopping” thing…
Agreed. My wife went upstairs a half hour ago and I remember what she’s wearing. But early on she stopped taking me clothes shopping because I just said “wow, you look great!” to everything she tries on, which is understandably unhelpful.
I wasn’t trying to do it. I legitimately think she looks great in everything. I’ve tried to be more aware and conscious of what she’s trying to do with her outfits in the past 16 years, though, so I can comment on it thoughtfully; but it requires a specific type of effort that I am sure comes easier and harder to some men.