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Brazil’s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, a vocal critic Donald Trump, was reelected Sunday in a result that provides relief to critics of widening U.S. influence in Latin America.
With 100% of the vote counted, Brazil’s electoral court announced that the soon to be 81-year-old Lula had a lead of nearly 4.4 million votes over opponent Flávio Bolsonaro, giving him 51.8% of the total vote. Bolsonaro quickly refused to concede defeat and asked for the election results to be annulled after an evening of chaos at some polling places that followed a last-minute decision to extend voting by two hours.
Bolsonaro is the son of former President Jair Bolsonaro, whom Lula defeated to take the presidency in 2022.
Lula’s triumph bucks a regional trend of victories for right-of-center presidential candidates allied with Trump. It also means Latin America’s largest economy, with a GDP of $2.6 trillion per year, will likely continue defying Trump’s demands, despite the pressure of increased tariffs.
No please you listen
Reliably verifying this is a near impossibility.
Tom Scott lays it out well in these videos:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs
They want to revert to paper without any of the procedural steps needed to make it secure. You are absolutely conflating the fact that they want paper voting (so they can cheat) with how proper secure paper voting actually works.
Yes, they need to be manually counted. This works incredibly well where I’m from (Australia), and other countries.
You need the votes to be counted, by hand, in the presence of many people, and with invigilators from all parties/candidates making sure no one is cheating.
We even have preferential voting, which is even more laborious, and yet we still do it.
With such a set up you’d have to have a conspiracy of literally thousands of people in order to affect the vote. And if people are just letting a vote be rigged if it’s an open secret, well the only solution to that is mass action and you have far greater societal issues. All election systems rely on people fighting to keep it fair.
Sorry, but voting machines are a band aid that do not make elections secure, and give people a false sense of security, while also allowing bad actors to throw doubt over results (because of aforementioned impossibility of verification).
Like, sorry. I’m glad Lula won, but electronic voting is still shit.
stop being stubborn when the facts point elsewhere.
paper votes are part of their strategy to manipulate elections by stealing ballots and more. paper is much easier to fuck with than encrypted electronics.
you are literally echoing the nazi narrative for weakening brazilian elections.
How?
No, it isn’t easier to fuck with. It can be fucked with easily if you don’t put the necessary protections in place to stop it. Which from what I’m being told is what was happening in Brazil.
I’m pointing out why electronic voting is stupid precisely because it gives them something to point at. This is precisely why it’s so important to not have electronic voting. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if the election were beyond reproach (which is the case in countries like Australia).
You’re clinging on to electronic voting because your side won, and that voting securitu was even worse before, and I’m very happy Lula did win, but it doesn’t stop the fact that elections are less secure if you do them with electronic voting.
Seriously, go watch those videos, they lay it out much better than me.