You are fine with invasions. You never condemn things like invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.
lemmy is filled with pure russian disinfo posts
Case in point for the meme.
You automatically assume that whatever contradicts the narrative of the ‘Iraq has WMDs’ people is false. No regard for any of the actual facts.
who said i don´t oppose it? i want to see the us government and it´s military industrial complex burn to free the world from it´s hegemony and the dollar standard. if i say “russia is bad” i´m not implying “NATO is good”
You are literally trying to engage in propaganda in favour of the most prolific invader in the world - NATO.
Let’s be honest, you do not condemn NATO, you do not bring up NATO everywhere you can the way you do with Russia, and you do want to be a beneficiary of its colonial atrocities.
if i say “russia is bad” i´m not implying “NATO is good”
99.97% of the time, that’s exactly what you (plural) do. If you are an exception, then I welcome you to prove me wrong.
is everything black and white in your world?
My world is a lot less monochrome than the world of people who go ‘Russia bad! Everything that contradicts NATO’s propaganda is Russian disinfo! Russia should roll over and die for my empire!’
nato propaganda is “we need to send tons of arms so ukrainians can defend their country” but even if they defend it it´s gonna end like this: ukraine - a country with a gdp of 42 billion $ in 2014 took up soo much debt it could never repay it after the war. it´s gonna privatize all assets, multinational corporations come in and swoop everything the state can offer. ukraine will be denied entry into the eu. ukraine will be a financial slave to the imf, america and the eu and it´s gonna get exploited for cheap labour while ukrainians will be treated as 2nd class world citizens due to their non-eu passport.
i got heated up. i apologize if i made assumptions about you. my point still stands: russia is spreading misinfo like crazy and OP keeps reposting it.
nato propaganda is “we need to send tons of arms so ukrainians can defend their country”
Also, ‘we need to do a coup in Ukraine’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iraq because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Afghanistan because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iran because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to do a Lebensraum in Palestine because reasons’.
And so on, and so forth.
The ‘Russia bad’ sort of propaganda pales in comparison to that, actually, but it is still used to justify NATO’s hegemony over the world.
ukraine - a country with a gdp of 42 billion $ in 2014 took up soo much debt it could never repay it after the war.
And NATO (along with pro-NATO anti-communists in Ukraine and Russia)
it´s gonna privatize all assets
The unpopular privatisation of assets was already underway by 2022, even if we exclude the 1990s that severely damaged the living standards in Ukraine.
my point still stands: russia is spreading misinfo like crazy and OP keeps reposting it.
NATO has been spreading misinformation much more aggressively, to the point of most people in English-speaking places being convinced that NATO and the Ukrainian nazi state are somehow on the right side of history here.
So you’re just lashing out and insulting me personally because I called out how useless an insult like “tankie” is, including inventing a worldview for me and calling me an incoherent Marxist? As you admit, you’re just outraged and aren’t thinking clearly or coherently, even if I wanted to discuss my views on the Russo-Ukrainian war right now there’s no reason I’d expect a good-faith response from you when you’re already inventing my responses.
Also, because I am curious at this point, what Marxist works should I read to pass your test? I’ll add em to the list. Are the various ML orgs I agree with also confused in your eyes?
For clarity, I’ve expressed skepticism that Russia genuinely cares about de-Nazifying Ukraine. Ukraine is run by those who uphold Stepan Bandera, has been since the Euromaidan coup in 2014, and has significant neo-Nazi batallions like Azov, but Russia isn’t waging some glorious anti-fascist war for the sake of fighting fascism. At the same time, it fails to meet the definition of imperialism, Russia is largely driven by its own insular production and relies on exports, typically of oil and millitary equipment. It doesn’t have the same immense financial capital or domination of the global south that the west has, and as such has no room to be genuinely imperialist.
Russia’s real goals aren’t really for plunder, but for maintaining control of the land bridge to their territory in the Donbass region. Ukraine exists, and is a real nation, but the Donbass region is ethnically Russian, and is a real seperatist movement. Russia wants the Donbass region not for love of the people, but because Ukraine has been cozying up to the west and increasingly been anti-Russian, and thus Russia wants control of the land-route into the Russian heartland.
Those are my views. I don’t hold the strawman views you claimed I did. My views are in line with orgs like PSL’s statement and FRSO’s statement - NATO provoked the war, Russia is going to win regardless, Ukraine is being hollowed out by the west on one side and losing to Russia on the either, the best outcome is an expedient peace agreement.
we actually have the same viewpoint on that. thank you for accepting my apology. i own up to my mistake, i deleted some of my comments as per your advice so moderation doesn´t have to.
deleted by creator
You are fine with invasions. You never condemn things like invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.
Case in point for the meme.
You automatically assume that whatever contradicts the narrative of the ‘Iraq has WMDs’ people is false. No regard for any of the actual facts.
who said i don´t oppose it? i want to see the us government and it´s military industrial complex burn to free the world from it´s hegemony and the dollar standard. if i say “russia is bad” i´m not implying “NATO is good”
is everything black and white in your world?
You are literally trying to engage in propaganda in favour of the most prolific invader in the world - NATO.
Let’s be honest, you do not condemn NATO, you do not bring up NATO everywhere you can the way you do with Russia, and you do want to be a beneficiary of its colonial atrocities.
99.97% of the time, that’s exactly what you (plural) do. If you are an exception, then I welcome you to prove me wrong.
My world is a lot less monochrome than the world of people who go ‘Russia bad! Everything that contradicts NATO’s propaganda is Russian disinfo! Russia should roll over and die for my empire!’
nato propaganda is “we need to send tons of arms so ukrainians can defend their country” but even if they defend it it´s gonna end like this: ukraine - a country with a gdp of 42 billion $ in 2014 took up soo much debt it could never repay it after the war. it´s gonna privatize all assets, multinational corporations come in and swoop everything the state can offer. ukraine will be denied entry into the eu. ukraine will be a financial slave to the imf, america and the eu and it´s gonna get exploited for cheap labour while ukrainians will be treated as 2nd class world citizens due to their non-eu passport.
i got heated up. i apologize if i made assumptions about you. my point still stands: russia is spreading misinfo like crazy and OP keeps reposting it.
Also, ‘we need to do a coup in Ukraine’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iraq because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Afghanistan because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iran because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to do a Lebensraum in Palestine because reasons’.
And so on, and so forth.
The ‘Russia bad’ sort of propaganda pales in comparison to that, actually, but it is still used to justify NATO’s hegemony over the world.
And NATO (along with pro-NATO anti-communists in Ukraine and Russia)
The unpopular privatisation of assets was already underway by 2022, even if we exclude the 1990s that severely damaged the living standards in Ukraine.
NATO has been spreading misinformation much more aggressively, to the point of most people in English-speaking places being convinced that NATO and the Ukrainian nazi state are somehow on the right side of history here.
So you’re just lashing out and insulting me personally because I called out how useless an insult like “tankie” is, including inventing a worldview for me and calling me an incoherent Marxist? As you admit, you’re just outraged and aren’t thinking clearly or coherently, even if I wanted to discuss my views on the Russo-Ukrainian war right now there’s no reason I’d expect a good-faith response from you when you’re already inventing my responses.
Also, because I am curious at this point, what Marxist works should I read to pass your test? I’ll add em to the list. Are the various ML orgs I agree with also confused in your eyes?
i gotta apologize my anger was directed at op. gotta learn how lemmy works.
Fair enough, apology accepted.
For clarity, I’ve expressed skepticism that Russia genuinely cares about de-Nazifying Ukraine. Ukraine is run by those who uphold Stepan Bandera, has been since the Euromaidan coup in 2014, and has significant neo-Nazi batallions like Azov, but Russia isn’t waging some glorious anti-fascist war for the sake of fighting fascism. At the same time, it fails to meet the definition of imperialism, Russia is largely driven by its own insular production and relies on exports, typically of oil and millitary equipment. It doesn’t have the same immense financial capital or domination of the global south that the west has, and as such has no room to be genuinely imperialist.
Russia’s real goals aren’t really for plunder, but for maintaining control of the land bridge to their territory in the Donbass region. Ukraine exists, and is a real nation, but the Donbass region is ethnically Russian, and is a real seperatist movement. Russia wants the Donbass region not for love of the people, but because Ukraine has been cozying up to the west and increasingly been anti-Russian, and thus Russia wants control of the land-route into the Russian heartland.
Those are my views. I don’t hold the strawman views you claimed I did. My views are in line with orgs like PSL’s statement and FRSO’s statement - NATO provoked the war, Russia is going to win regardless, Ukraine is being hollowed out by the west on one side and losing to Russia on the either, the best outcome is an expedient peace agreement.
we actually have the same viewpoint on that. thank you for accepting my apology. i own up to my mistake, i deleted some of my comments as per your advice so moderation doesn´t have to.
All good!