Basically: In some countries, the pledge is with the constitution or the people, but in others (like constitutional monarchies), its a pledge to the (constitutional) monarch and their successors.

What is your opinion on this loyalty pledge? Do you believe it’s a reasonable request?

(For context: My mother and older brother had to do the pledge to gain [US] citizenship so the idea of deportation isn’t looming over our heads. I didn’t have do it because I was under 18 and my mother’s citizenship status automatically carried over to me according to the law.)

  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    19 hours ago

    It’s silly. The oath means nothing, particularly if it’s to a British socialite like it is here, which is wrong for an oath.

    Allegiance to countries should be earned by that country anyway, not demanded or unconditional.

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      17 hours ago

      unconditional

      I mean it is conditional.

      I see it as a “social contract”. The state/society gives me a status and certain protections, in exchange for me promising not to be a terrorist, spy, etc… that’s essentially what I see it as.

      If the state/society start treating me like some foreigner, then I’d consider them violating their “end of the bargain”, aka: it’s them violating the social contract and I’d act accordingly.

      If they pull the Japanese-American “Internment Camp” bullshit on me, don’t expect me to have any “allegiance” lmao

      As an example: PRC tried to “terminate” me for being the second-born, because they wanted to fullfill their fantasy of a “birth control” and forced sterilization policy, and also they tried to deny giving the legal papers proving I exist until their BS “fines” got paid (meaning, essentially: I didn’t legally “exist” for the first few years of my life), not to mention, the various fucked up things regarding censorship, cant even playing a fucking online game, so yea I have zero “allegiance” with the PRC. In fact, I dispise PRC.