the thing i find craziest about the tiananmen square propaganda is that there is a PBS Frontline documentary that is sponsored by the Ford Foundation that interviews people involved in Tiananmen square who say there was no massacre. These people are organizers of the student protests. This documentary (I believe it’s called The Gate of Heavenly Peace) was produced in the early 90s and it could be where some of these clips come from (at least that screenshot of the interview looks familiar). I think there is even one interview with one of the organizers who admits their intention was to spark violence.
Anyway I don’t really know what the American attitude toward Tiananmen Square at the time was but I saw this documentary a few years ago and was kind of surprised by how against the narrative it is.
She’s on camera balling her eyes out people aren’t following her orders to go die for the cause. Not metaphorically dying. Like actually, literally dying by charging at tanks and trying to steal guns from troops around the square.
i have actually seen people posting those clips saying “look how brainwashed chinese people are. they say nothing happened even tho they saw it with their own eyes. they must be afraid to tell the truth”
like, at what point does a motherfucker like that ever ask “wait am i the one that was lied to?”. almost never
No I don’t have a link to it, sorry. I’m sure it’s out there on the internet somewhere. It may even be on the PBS Frontline page, I know they host a lot of their documentaries there for free.
I think that was mentioned in that video itself. Tell me, is it the documentary where besides this gal named Chai Ling saying that intention, there was this ROC citizen protester Hou Deijian who said something about not witnessing a ‘massacre’ and exiting the square peacefully (the actual crackdown was outside the square; outskirts of Beijing)
I don’t recall who was interviewed to be honest, there were a number of people featured in it and i watched it probably 10 years ago at this point. Some were leaders of the student movement and I think at least one of them had since switched sides. Either way the story was farily consistent regardless of who was telling it and it did not describe what the modern narrative is.
Do you have any more details on it than that? I’m guessing not or you probably would have said so, but if you can remember who made it, I might try to see if it’s still floating around somewhere.
I had saved it to my phone years ago. I do this for a lot of videos and other sources when possible for this exact reason. I have reuploaded it to a tankie.tube channel I just made. A lot of details overlap with Hakim’s videos but I believe this one shows more of the “mature content” such as images of murdered PLA officers.
To be fair, one of the most well known events in US history is The Boston Massacre. I bet you wouldn’t guess that only five people died. Tianenmen Square was more of a massacre than that, though obviously both are for political purposes.
the thing i find craziest about the tiananmen square propaganda is that there is a PBS Frontline documentary that is sponsored by the Ford Foundation that interviews people involved in Tiananmen square who say there was no massacre. These people are organizers of the student protests. This documentary (I believe it’s called The Gate of Heavenly Peace) was produced in the early 90s and it could be where some of these clips come from (at least that screenshot of the interview looks familiar). I think there is even one interview with one of the organizers who admits their intention was to spark violence.
Anyway I don’t really know what the American attitude toward Tiananmen Square at the time was but I saw this documentary a few years ago and was kind of surprised by how against the narrative it is.
She’s on camera balling her eyes out people aren’t following her orders to go die for the cause. Not metaphorically dying. Like actually, literally dying by charging at tanks and trying to steal guns from troops around the square.
Anti-communists try and claim that we are in the wrong for taking that traitor at her word.
oh yeah i just watched the start of the video, this is from the documentary i mentioned.
i have actually seen people posting those clips saying “look how brainwashed chinese people are. they say nothing happened even tho they saw it with their own eyes. they must be afraid to tell the truth”
like, at what point does a motherfucker like that ever ask “wait am i the one that was lied to?”. almost never
Would you be so kind as to post a link to that if you get a chance? It’d be worth seeing.
No I don’t have a link to it, sorry. I’m sure it’s out there on the internet somewhere. It may even be on the PBS Frontline page, I know they host a lot of their documentaries there for free.
I found it. Weird how DuckDuckGo always comes up results when searching anything for me but not any other engine 😂
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RA-UQyCZskA
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I think that was mentioned in that video itself. Tell me, is it the documentary where besides this gal named Chai Ling saying that intention, there was this ROC citizen protester Hou Deijian who said something about not witnessing a ‘massacre’ and exiting the square peacefully (the actual crackdown was outside the square; outskirts of Beijing)
I don’t recall who was interviewed to be honest, there were a number of people featured in it and i watched it probably 10 years ago at this point. Some were leaders of the student movement and I think at least one of them had since switched sides. Either way the story was farily consistent regardless of who was telling it and it did not describe what the modern narrative is.
There was another, older video on YouTube that debunked the massacre by specifically using that US documentary. It’s gone now too.
Do you have any more details on it than that? I’m guessing not or you probably would have said so, but if you can remember who made it, I might try to see if it’s still floating around somewhere.
https://tankie.tube/w/bUtf7mPidYQVv5S8Kxyeas
I had saved it to my phone years ago. I do this for a lot of videos and other sources when possible for this exact reason. I have reuploaded it to a tankie.tube channel I just made. A lot of details overlap with Hakim’s videos but I believe this one shows more of the “mature content” such as images of murdered PLA officers.
To be fair, one of the most well known events in US history is The Boston Massacre. I bet you wouldn’t guess that only five people died. Tianenmen Square was more of a massacre than that, though obviously both are for political purposes.