I feel like there used to be many more posts on my feed… I hope I’m imagining it…
There’s too much in-fighting and drama for it to be dead.
I’m smoking weed about it.
It feels newborn, if anything. Like 30-40% of comments I see are from users < 30 days old.
<30 days old means nothing.
Lemmy users are more paranoid about government, could be just using discarding their accounts often.
I’ve been on lemmy since the reddit API thing, but this account is only 2 months because I’ve tried quitting lemmy a few times, and I failed because I’m bored and I need a soapbox to vent.
it feels like early reddit. a lot of the same style and content. and a lot of replies in threads that are trying way too hard to be edgelordy but just seem crude and naive.
I came across in the big Reddit migration and while I loved the idea, it felt like every third post was about the meta or Reddit. I ended up dropping all social media. A few months ago I started passively reading Reddit again and as many predicted, the whole vibe is just off. So I began checking back here a bit and it’s a bit closer to what I want now. It feels like there is a bit less going on than back then, and I’m totally okay with that.
Be active and be what you want to see. This is a community driven system and you will get a lot more out of a community by participating over just observing.
!fedigrow@lemmy.zip if you want to help build communities
No
Lemmy has minuscule portion of users compared to mainstream social media. It doesn’t mean it’s dead.
I like the current vibe. If Lemmy grew suddenly 10x, I’m sure some of that small place energy would be lost.
It could afford to grow 10x but not 1000x.
That kind of growth would probably require many new instances too. I don’t think the current ones could handle 1000x load.
Probably the architecture will need to change significantly. (A decent rule of thumb is that a given architecture is good for an increase of about 100x, then it needs to change, then that’s good for the next 100x and so on).
I don’t even think most instances would be able to handle a 1000x increase even if it was spread across new instances. The amount of traffic coming into instances would also be up by a large multiple to account for the new users, communities and subscriptions. And given some of the cost concerns I’ve seen already, that would probably cause some instance admins to throw in the towel.
Also synchronization could become an issue. On the other hand I would really like to see how robust activity pub is. Can it actually handle large scale federation like this.
It’s not dead, it’s just not matching the level of activity of users as the numbers of users there is reported on paper.
I’d like to see Lemmy get a lot of microcommunities like Reddit but the problem is, one user can do so much.
I know I am. Spooky, huh?
Dead, no, stagnant, yes.
This. There is too little new people joining and not enough incentive to join.
Imho, the biggest deterrent beside the lack of users is the ‘politics’ that’s almost everywhere (so, so often accompanied by anger when it’s not hatred). Sure, it’s more problematic on some instances than others but it’s almost everywhere. That’s also relatively easy to filter out of one’s feed but it still needs to be filtered manually which may not be the most interesting thing a brand new user may want to do… that is if they have not already been dissuaded to join just by reading the default feed?
The default Piefed onboarding process asks you how much politics you needs, hides at least “trump” and “musk” if you want to, and suggests you a list of diverse feeds/topics to join.
Maybe it could be even more agressive and add other words to the blocklist, but it’s not too bad as it is.
Like I said, it’s something that a user needs to configure. It’s already (much) better with piefed but I don’t remember being asked if I wanted to filter out anything (politics or otherwise) when I created my Lemmy account back then… and the default feed’s content was not the most thrilling experience for me ;)
It’s something I think we discussed a few months back (not 100% sure) and I still wish for the default feed of a new user to be empty save for a few tags/categories they would need to click in order to see something in their All/local feed before they even subscribe to any community. I don’t know how to put it: by default, the All/Local should only display all of whatever I’m into not all what’s published ;)
I still wish for the default feed of a new user to be empty save for a few tags/categories they would need to click in order to see something in their All/local feed before they even subscribe to any community.
I just created an account today on Piefed.social, and that’s what the default feed is: empty.
Weren’t we referring to Lemmy?
The default Piefed onboarding
I was always mentioning Piefed, which is a better option was new joiners for that onboarding experience (and other features).
totally agree on that.
i feel as if I’m seeing more engagement on posts sometimes, so i would say no
numbers seem to disagree
People are moving to Piefed
I get that they’ve been dipping recently, but holy crow-- could it really be true that there are well over 9M posts by day?! oO (and ~14M comments per day?) No way am I seeing a tiny fraction of that in my ALL feed, altho I understand that’s completely dependent on users at my instance being subscribed to communities around the FV.
One other interesting stat is that the running Lemmy instances have steadily been going down, which is naturally going to delete lots of user accts and communities, likely explaining part of the situation, here. So what if the users who choose to stay, decide to sign up via a different service, thereby ‘picking up the slack?’ (Mbin, PF, etc)
Indeed, on the whole the FV still seems to be growing:
https://fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=90Those stats are total posts, not posts per day. Also worth noting that the home screen stats are misleading, as they include a bot-run Reddit mirror that is larger than the rest of Lemmy and PieFed combined, not to mention a lot of other smaller (but still massive) bots and bot-run instances that most are defederated from.
If you want to be more accurate, you have to filter through individual instances excluding outliers, and collect the data from each one to add up.
Overall, the stats seem to suggest that its lost momentum and grown stagnant, although stagnant does not mean dead either.
In which case-- what should we do?
Do you have any idea what we should do?I’ve put 2+yrs in to this project, largely because… we just can’t be pushed around by other hypocritical, social media services.
those graphs aren’t that great and easy to misinterpret: the 9M is the total number of posts, that were ever posted to lemmy. the graph just shows what that number was for each day (so for example the graph shows 8.9M yesterday and 9M today, that means 100k posts in one day)
I was mostly just looking at total active users
but fair point mentioning other fediverse apps
Not that I can see
Subscribe to more communities
!trendingcommunities@lemmy.cafe is good for finding new ones
Edit: Although the bot seems to have stopped posting recently, maybe it’s moved?
That bot stopped working, !newcommunities@lemmy.world is probably the place to go
Throwing this out there in case you are just scrolling through “all”:
Your instance is small and you won’t see content from communities no one on your instance has subscribed to. An example:
I see posts from a community on “all” that I haven’t subsribed to, but someone on my instance has subsscribed to said community. Otherwise we on sopuli would not be fetching updates from those communities and I wouldn’t see it on “all”.
There is a project (forgot name) that makes bots on instance subscribe to new communities from an instance but not sure if it’s still working/set up on your instance.
That’s the one, thanks Blaze.
A bit, yes. BUT I go away for a few months and then return to Lemmy with full force. When I’m active here it feels like an active space, when I’m not active, it feels a lil dead.
So the issue is more about the way you engage with the community.
Also I think Lemmy data is available. Posts per month, users etc.
I sort by new and hide anything read so I always get the freshest stuff. I like that there is a limit so I am more likely to close the app and so some reading or learning rather then scroll forever.
Definitely. Really nice to “run out” of posts to remember to actually close my app once in awhile.
Not even kind of.
I want a digest I can read for ten minutes a day, rather than spend six hours churning through a hellhole.
I have a life to live.
Okay, valid. I don’t, so that makes sense.
Add more channels (?) I mean, I preferred passive consumption of content too. But in lemmy, there needs to be more posters.
