Thursday’s incident came as the community observed Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar
Police said they had shot a man suspected in a stabbing and car-ramming that injured four people at a synagogue Thursday in the northern English city of Manchester on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.
Greater Manchester Police said in a series of posts on X that a major incident was declared after a member of the public reported that they had “witnessed a car being driven toward members of the public” and that one “man had been stabbed” near the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Crumpsall, an area known for its large Jewish community.
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That voice there is a part of you that knows that murdering people solely on the basis of which religion they follow is wrong.
I would urge you to listen more closely to that voice and less to the one that tries to justify minimising the killings on the basis of propaganda.
Notice that they never said anything about the religion, but question the ACTIONS of that synagogue before expending emotional energy.
And they didn’t call for their deaths, they merely said that if they were one of the synagogues who are preaching hate then they won’t care about their suffering, just as those people don’t care about the suffering in gaza right now.
This shit is so common and so infuriating - “They laughed at his death because of his beliefs”
No, you are being disingenuous - “They laughed at his death because of his actions. he called for the death and suffering of many.” is not the same thing at all.
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You replied to my comment but none of your reply seems to relate to any of it, was it intended to be a reply to another comment, did you just assume what I had written, or did something get very lost in translation?
I didn’t accuse the parent comment of targeting Jews, I referred to the killer as targeting Jews given the attack was on a synagogue on yom Kippur.
I never said they did, I specifically used the phrase “minimise” which I believe is appropriate when someone states religiously motivated killing is not worthy of care, arguably they made this conditional on the synagogue not preaching hate, but this feels like an incredibly thin justification, it was not mentioned anywhere in the article, I have not seen any evidence of widespread islamophobia in synagogues (googling variations on the phrase yields nothing). Raising this as far as i can tell only serves as a manufured justification to deny the severity of this act.
This is just confusing, the parts within quotation marks bear no resemblance to anything I wrote, even being charitable and assuming “You are being disengenous” is using the rhetorical “you” it still seems a mile off topic, maybe it refers to the discussion around Charlie Kirk?
This is the part of your comment I was referring to. That user never said anything about their religion. They said something about waiting to have information about their actions.
Conflating those two is easy, and effective at making those who judge others by their actions seem like religious bigots.
I had assumed it would be clear that I was ascribing religious motivation to the killer rather than the commenter. Especially as I clarified this in the thing you are now directly replying to.
Then I definitely misunderstood your intent. My Apologies.
My fury at the use of ‘based on their beliefs’ stands in general, but I apologize for ascribing that to your comment without first asking.
Fair, I can see how it would read in an ambiguous way from someone operating in a different context.
I never said I supported it, I said I don’t care.
I’m more disturbed that you got upvotes.
Do you think this attack will help end the genocide? Or help the flotilla? Or help Palestine Action? It won’t, adventurism doesn’t work.
Synagogue attacks directly benefit Israel. It makes Jews afraid to live outside of Israel and encourages them to become settlers, it’s used by Zionist-aligned governments to crack down on all opposition to Israel, and it creates martyrs when people get killed.
Once again, I never said that I supported violence, or endorsed this attack.
Because yes, I agree that this will result in a counterproductive backlash to my own desire to see the end of the genocide in Gaza.
But because of that genocide, and Israel’s 's full-throated efforts to remove any separation between Zionism and Judaism, I find myself with a lack of emotional energy available to care about the in-group perpetrating that genocide.
That is very different from celebrating this attack.
I didn’t accuse you of celebrating this attack?
My concern is that you don’t have the “emotional energy” to worry about how this is going to make everything worse.
I am very aware of how this will be leveraged to attack the people and groups who are opposed to genocide.
I was very specific about who my apathy was for.
Additionally, after a mod removed my first post, I revise and resubmitted it. This time doing a cursory glance at the the people who run that synagogue.
To the surprise of no one, they’re pro-genocide, anti-Palestinian self-determination, and outspoken Zionist political activists.
And for 26th time, I am anti-violence and do not condone, support, or sanctify this attack. Furthermore, their beliefs do not justify violence, and if one’s goals are to end the genocide, this type of violence makes that harder.
So the fascists made you fascist? That’s certainly something a fascist would say…
No, genocidal religious fascism made me not care about the deaths of their in-group.
The blood god will remember your loyalty on this day
What the fuck…?
Dude, I am not celebrating this violence.