Community description for ManufacturingConsent is “when the media decides who you are rooting for.” So, being banned for questioning their narrative strikes me as absurdly funny. I mean, I guess if the idea of the community is that geneva_convenience should decide whom you root for, that would track.
The post in question: https://piefed.ca/post/266435
(I pointed out that the Guardian was probably including the hostages who died after the attacks. This really bugged OP and led to a ban.)
I don’t really care for a remedy, seems a silly place. Just thought it was funny as heck.
(For what it’s worth, like most, I side with Palestine but I think being accurate lends credence to our cause.)
PTB
though they don’t have any rules listed, big red flag
ZIONIST DOWN!
Being upset over a difference of 61 is pretty dumb in and of itself. It’s less than 6% discrepancy even if you don’t count hostages killed in Gaza.
There’s plenty of occurrences of media manipulation around this conflict, this doesn’t even register on my radar at all. Like “Oh I was just a few dozen deaths short of having sympathy for Israel”
What’s confusing is that it felt like MyBrainHurts was doing a gotcha on a gotcha, and then it fell down a rabbit hole from there.
But more than that…
Say ICE kidnaps a pair of kids in the morning. In the afternoon, the distraught parents see them in a detention van and try to get them back. In the commotion, one of the kids dies.
Like, I don’t think MyBrainHurts is being deliberate in the language, but “one kid dies in the commotion” rings a big “cop-talk” alarm bell. The whole argument feels dumb and petty, hashed out by two people with no control of the horror in the outside world. And because of the vacuum of activism that is the internet, they waste their time snipping at each other rather than finding a better use for their restless energy.
To each their own! I just wanted an analogy where I was pretty sure they would want to take the other side.
(It just seems wild to me that geneva’s arguing that the kidnapped people shouldn’t count in the totals.)
I don’t even read that much. Just seems like they’re sniping at one another over semantics and vibes.
Like “Oh I was just a few dozen deaths short of having sympathy for Israel”
This is really well put and cracked me up.
Conflating the Palestinian resistance with ICE is pretty damn creepy in my book.
I read it and I don’t think it wasn’t conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn’t track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn’t a direct comparison.
Similes are rhetorical conflations. A conflation is generally an attempt to treat two similar ideas as roughly the same, which is the rhetorical purpose of a simile. If you didn’t see the comparison between the two events and want to link the ideas in the audience’s mind you would use different examples.
Tl;Dr the rhetorical act of comparing presumed like to like is usually a rhetorical act of conflation
Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.
Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant “america/trump/the church can do no wrong” attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.
Do you think Israel are the good guys in this situation?
Ignoring that they have Gaza as an open air prison, they have magnitudes more Palestinians in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody.
Did you mean to respond to another comment or did you completely miss the point?
Edit: to put it more politely… The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel’s war does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.
.ml is a strange little place.
Yes meanwhile on grad is
Lol can’t imagine why a group of people or their supporters (which you now fall into) would want to spread scurrilous remarks about another group whose purpose is to document their toxic extremism.
That’s geneva_convenience for ya. Avoid .ml communities like the plague, they’re not very tolerant of any form of dissent. Geneva likes to paint a lot of people as Zionist without good reason.
I really should keep an eye out for those comms and just avoid. At least any of the vaguely political ones!
(Just Manufacturing Consent feels like a trap designed for me as Chomsky’s thoughts on this are super relevant and interesting so, like a fool, I fell into the trap.)
OP what is your take on zio shill points?
The what?
thank you
Cheers?
lemmy . ml - there’s a big part of the problem right there
You can read it
reason Zionist
You have been sorted into the category of evil person by the mod and are banned because of that. Truth or facts don’t matter.
Reality, my arch nemesis!
