I don’t understand how socialists and communists can still believe they can build a mass movement in the imperial core? What gives you this much hope? Cause in my experience these people want me dead and if they have to be killed for a socialist future then let it happen
Edit: im not saying this out of Condescension im speaking out of curiosity and frustration
I really can’t understand where this concept comes from because I’ve been up and down the East coast of the US and I’ve talked with a lot of different communities. I’ve found more listening ears and sympathetic people in the hoods, rural communities, impoverished suburbs, etc.
Is there reactionaries? Yes, of course, but the amount who actually want to harm people vs the amount who are relatively good, have no idea about politics, or are willing to hear out your side is vastly stark. Arguably 30/70, or even 50/50 if we are being vague. It also depends on where you go, I’ve found far more enemies in the gentrified downtowns of blue states than I have heavily mixed rural southern towns. Same with the mostly liberal colleges vs the impoverished suburbs.
The big thing is so many get caught up in the frequency illusion, especially with social media. The loudest and most annoying reactionaries online say the most insane shit because they feel untouchable and like they can get away with it, but that doesn’t automatically translate to irl daily life. Those loud mfs are loud for a reason, they compensate for their lack by functioning off bias & anger and only invite the unhinged like them. Most people are not that invested, often because they have too much going on in their own lives or rely on establishment beliefs, or even no beliefs because they’re disillusioned by the system and checked out of it all (which is a large chunk of the US rn).
America may have its higher than usual amount of reactionaries, but that’s because we are a safe haven for them. At the end of the day there is far more potential allies than there is enemies and giving into the political nihilism and doomerism that “everyone is bad” is simply suicidal and unrealistic.
No mass movement will happen until these people take accountability for their actions and the actions of their nation their tax payers and money have helped fund genocides, massacres, wars and imperialism through out the globe, I don’t care how much indoctrination these low lives have gone through in their lives blood is on their hands as much as it’s on the hands of their government they need to pay
Your question was about the feisability of mass moments. Mass movements coalesce due to material interests, are made possible through class consciousness, and are fueled by the blood and sweat of the people willing to put in the work to fight for unity.
I don’t know if “these people” you speak of are the reactionaries or absolutely everyone in the Imperial Core, but idealist notions of “paying for your sins” aren’t what make these movements happen.
Honestly? Some of us were unfortunate enough to be born in the core (though I’m from what If consider a vassal state), so the hoping for and working towards a mass movement is the best we can do. Even if it’s unrealistic, we have to work towards something. The alternative is to succumb to defeatism, and just wait for the inevitable fall. So we work towards a better tomorrow, because the alternative isn’t viable.
At least that’s how I see it, and I’m mostly using your post to try and figure out my own stance on this. So take my blurb for what it is, a nonsensical flow of thoughts.
I don’t understand how socialists and communists can still believe they can build a mass movement in the imperial core? What gives you this much hope? Cause in my experience these people want me dead and if they have to be killed for a socialist future then let it happen
Edit: im not saying this out of Condescension im speaking out of curiosity and frustration
I really can’t understand where this concept comes from because I’ve been up and down the East coast of the US and I’ve talked with a lot of different communities. I’ve found more listening ears and sympathetic people in the hoods, rural communities, impoverished suburbs, etc.
Is there reactionaries? Yes, of course, but the amount who actually want to harm people vs the amount who are relatively good, have no idea about politics, or are willing to hear out your side is vastly stark. Arguably 30/70, or even 50/50 if we are being vague. It also depends on where you go, I’ve found far more enemies in the gentrified downtowns of blue states than I have heavily mixed rural southern towns. Same with the mostly liberal colleges vs the impoverished suburbs.
The big thing is so many get caught up in the frequency illusion, especially with social media. The loudest and most annoying reactionaries online say the most insane shit because they feel untouchable and like they can get away with it, but that doesn’t automatically translate to irl daily life. Those loud mfs are loud for a reason, they compensate for their lack by functioning off bias & anger and only invite the unhinged like them. Most people are not that invested, often because they have too much going on in their own lives or rely on establishment beliefs, or even no beliefs because they’re disillusioned by the system and checked out of it all (which is a large chunk of the US rn).
America may have its higher than usual amount of reactionaries, but that’s because we are a safe haven for them. At the end of the day there is far more potential allies than there is enemies and giving into the political nihilism and doomerism that “everyone is bad” is simply suicidal and unrealistic.
No mass movement will happen until these people take accountability for their actions and the actions of their nation their tax payers and money have helped fund genocides, massacres, wars and imperialism through out the globe, I don’t care how much indoctrination these low lives have gone through in their lives blood is on their hands as much as it’s on the hands of their government they need to pay
Your question was about the feisability of mass moments. Mass movements coalesce due to material interests, are made possible through class consciousness, and are fueled by the blood and sweat of the people willing to put in the work to fight for unity.
I don’t know if “these people” you speak of are the reactionaries or absolutely everyone in the Imperial Core, but idealist notions of “paying for your sins” aren’t what make these movements happen.
Honestly? Some of us were unfortunate enough to be born in the core (though I’m from what If consider a vassal state), so the hoping for and working towards a mass movement is the best we can do. Even if it’s unrealistic, we have to work towards something. The alternative is to succumb to defeatism, and just wait for the inevitable fall. So we work towards a better tomorrow, because the alternative isn’t viable.
At least that’s how I see it, and I’m mostly using your post to try and figure out my own stance on this. So take my blurb for what it is, a nonsensical flow of thoughts.