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    Israel actually dismantled settlements after Oslo. Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election. This put Netanyahu in power who ran on an agenda of opposing Oslo as well. Their refusal to a two state solution, and futile hope to defeat Israel through violence and terrorism, squandered every chance for a peaceful solution.

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        Of course the mosque attack had the same aim, and needs to be condemned just the same. But despite them, Arafat and the PA decided to continue the path towards peace. Hamas saw them even more as traitors and collaborators because of it (and, I’d like to point out, several posters in this thread still seem to believe this).

        Despite it being a shocking event, the assassination of Rabin did not make Israel leave the path. His successor vowed to continue and even had a 30-point lead in the polls at one point.

        Without the Hamas’ bombing campaign Netanyahu would have been left shouting from a corner instead of being handed the power to reverse Oslo.

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      Israel actually dismantled settlements after Oslo

      then quickly built new one. Even if it was Palestinian that did not respect it. Building more settlements is illegal under international law

      Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election

      Hamas was not part of the Oslo accords . Netanyahu himself say that he was the one who sabotaged it not Hamas

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        Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election Hamas was not part of the Oslo accords . Netanyahu himself say that he was the one who sabotaged it not Hamas

        Before we continue: do you believe Netanyahu was part of the Oslo Accords?

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          What a dumb question

          The Oslo Accords are a pair of interim agreements between Israel and the PLO. Israel can’t escape from it’s obligation just because the prime minister changed. Hamas was never a member of the PLO

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            Do you believe Netanyahu represented Israel when the Oslo Accords were signed?

            Do you think Hamas took over the obligation from the PLO to follow the Oslo Accords when they were elected in Gaza?

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              Netanyahu represent the state of Israel and have to respect the accords the state of Israel did sign before him. No leaders today has signed the Geneva and genocide convention for example does that mean that current leaders shouldn’t respect the conventions their countries signed?

              Hamas was not part of the accords so no Hamas doesn’t have the obligation to respect it . Israel has killed innocent protestors after the accords was signed and before Hamas committed it’s first suicide bombing. After the Oslo accords and before Hamas did it’s first suicide bombing , the number of settlers increased and the settler violence never stopped

              It’s simple logic that you doesn’t seem to be able to process. Israel and the countries who support settler colonialism are the only one responsible for the continuation of the occupation.

              Once Palestine get liberated we can start talking about holding both side responsible for war crimes and have a great truth and Truth and Reconciliation process

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                Say Netanyahu is voted out. Do you feel his successor is ‘honor bound’ to continue the deals Bibi made with Trump?

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                  Signed deals between two states should be respect even when the leaders changes.

                  Once Netenyahu is voted out someone as bad or worse will take his place. If Hamas is desarmed , isrsel will continue occupation and will move to blame someone else in Palestine

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                    Let’s knock it up another notch

                    Say you are given leadership of Israel. Would you feel bound to respect the deals Bibi made with Trump?