• mrdown@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Netanyahu love that you shift the blame to Palestinians and use his excuses as valid reasons for the state of Israel continue occupation, continue stealing wesbtbankers land and allow the settler terrorists to attack Palestinian civilians

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      Well I’m not saying, as you seem to hinge your argument on, that Netanyahu is blameless

      I mean, he ran his election campaign on it! lol

      I’m saying Hamas should not be excused for helping him win it.

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        Here we go again you keep talking about Netanyahu which we all know he is a terrible war criminal. Yet you can’t admit that Israel always wanted the whole land . I showed you that Shimon Perez who was his opponent was as bad as Netanyahu. I showed you Israeli leaders all over the decades defending occupation. I will repeat them again

        after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

        partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

        The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -  Menachem Begin

        https://www.972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-oslo-accords-aoc/

        https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin’s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

        We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

        There is Israeli leaders that are less honest than others that’s all. All of them do not want a Palestinian state

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            So now you even deny that Arafat wanted an Israeli state. Have some shame please

            https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/nea/rls/22579.htm

            The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. - Yasser Arafat

            In return Rabin recognized the PLO but not the Palestinian state. So we know very well that it is Israel who never ever recognized the other side based on 67 border

            Since you keep ignoring evidence I have to copy again the same proofs

            https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin’s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

            We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

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              23 hours ago

              I’m not asking whether Arafat agreed to Oslo - we know he did. I’m asking whether you think he was keeping his fingers crossed behind his back when he did. You seem to think this was the case for Rabin and Perez, so why don’t you extend the same courtesy to Arafat?

              I think it would be very interesting for you to read up on Netanyahu’s criticism of the Oslo Accords from back when he was an opposition leader running against Perez. You’ll be happily surprised to find out he was using the exact same arguments as you are now, claiming the other side could never be trusted.

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                23 hours ago

                I’m not asking whether Arafat agreed to Oslo

                You asked if Arafat recognized the state of Israel and he did and I provided you the evidence. I gave you ststements from Israeli leaders from all eras and ignored them

                You’ll be happily surprised to find out he was using the exact same arguments as you are now, claiming the other side could never be trusted.

                You are the one who keep blaming palestinian for the maintenance of the occupation like Netenyahu claim and all Israel leaders refused to give Palestinians a full fledged state with full sovereignty

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                  You asked if Arafat recognized the state of Israel and he did and I provided you the evidence.

                  You need to read my comment again then. I didn’t ask whether he stated he recognized it after Oslo. .

                  I gave you ststements from Israeli leaders from all eras and ignored them

                  Then what do you make of this statement by Arafat?

                  Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations.

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                    His last position was that he recognized israel right to exist. Israel position since it’s creation is no palestinian state ever

                    You are not discudding in good faith.