• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    Taxes and levies to incentivise behavior don’t work. People will eat shit salads before they give up their F150s. We can’t just let people pay to avoid responsibility.

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      1 day ago

      Bullshit. Costs absolutely influence shopping behavior. If you drive it out of an affordable range while providing viable, more environmentally friendly, alternatives. People will be forced to change

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      1 day ago

      Have you ever considered taxes to pay for collective goods and services, making peoples lives easier, them smarter, building trust in the idea that government can work and giving the government more teeth?

      People will eat shit salads before they give up their F150s. We can’t just let people pay to avoid responsibility.

      The F150 people were sold on the ridiculous trucks by the automotive industry. Theyre also much smaller as a part of the problem.

      The people who make decisions we all feel forced to live with are the ones whose businesses choose the path of least resistance

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          13 hours ago

          How do you change that though? By beating down the people who have the least damage per person? Or by beating down the companies that push these products, and more importantly the ownership class that owns them and casually use private jets to chauffeur their poodles around?

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            4 hours ago

            You cannot do one or the other to stop climate change. You have to do both. Again, cars are one of the single largest polluters in the world, and especially in the usa. The working class will need to make changes in their life styles as well. The problem is not solveable just by having companies change, consumers also need to be willing to accept changes in purchasing habits

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              3 hours ago

              I feel you misunderstand my point.

              I’m saying consumers are way less responsible for their purchasing decisions than many people think.

              Car centricity is a societal problem. The big trucks are a car company propoganda problem.

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                22 minutes ago

                Consumers are not babies. Most are not children. They can take full responsibility for their own choices and failure to research when it’s available. There is a reasonable extent that can be forgiven from lack of information. But most is still their fault. See people drinking bottles water when they have perfect access to safe drinking water. See people driving to work when they’re easily within public transit areas. See people buying slave labor made trinkets off temu, shein, amazon, AliExpress, and many more, or buying constant new shitly made polyester clothes because “fashion”.

                Society is created by those who participate. Hand waving “it’s a society problem” denies the individual responsibility of everyone to guide society.

                All the information is easily accessible and clear to everyone. They are making a conscious decision to pollute more for their own convenience. This is not saying companies are not also responsible for massive amounts of waste. Do not take it like that. But people need to also understand lifestyles cannot stay the same and still fight climate change. People need to give up their trinkets, fast fashion, cars, etc, if they want to actually fight climate change and pollution