Those who used it imagined Swiss law to be less intrusive? I suppose it sounds like a good idea to anyone, which is mostly everyone, who doesn’t know Swiss law.
Yeah, they rolled over to the authority, as expected. But, they sold themselves as “private”, not “private up to the extent of Swiss law, and our laws here are very intrusive, so really the private part isn’t going to get anyone very far if they use this service for anything slightly questionable, let alone outright illegal. You might as well be using GMail for how ‘private’ this thing is.”
Their service IS private. Their service is not anonymous, and they never claim it is. Privacy does not equal anonymity, and I wish you people would get that through your thick skulls and stop criticizing someone for doing the exact same thing you would do, in their position.
yeah, I totally believe you would go to prison for a random person. in fact, all of us are stupid enough to believe that bullshit. so noble. so principled. a true paragon.
Originally the CEO said they would pack up and leave Switzerland if the government continued its course.
So apparently there is more than just one option.
Hey, I get it. When you put all your eggs in one basket you are committed. Personally I don’t commit to any corporation, especially ones that try to sell “privacy”.
it doesn’t matter if they intend on leaving the country, until they do they still have to fulfill any legal orders they get. they can’t get an order, then decide they won’t comply, and just leave the country. it would make them fugitives, wanted in any countries that have extradition treaties with their government. you’re not an idiot, even if you’re pretending to be in the hopes that I won’t point out the obvious stupidity in your argument. so why don’t you do us both a favor and stop doing your best impression.
Listen, you are just wrong at this point and you keep digging yourself deeper looking more and more ridiculous.
says the one saying Proton should fuck themselves over to earn the goodwill of some random person on the internet with more idealism and ego than sense.
your relentless fanboyism gets old quick.
then I suppose it’s a good thing I don’t base my self worth on what you think of me, isn’t it? if you don’t like what I’m saying, too bad. I’m going to keep pointing out your irrational nonsense, and your choices are pretty limited at stopping me from doing that, aren’t they? you can give up and walk away, or block me, but either way, the person walking away from this with their tail between their legs is you. the only question you need to be asking is how much pie do you want on your face before that happens.
Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, etc have all refused court orders and no one went to prison. Your suggestion that Proton’s administration would be immediately held criminally responsible and locked up without a trial is extremely fucking bizarre.
You are the worst kind of fanboi, one without any logic or common sense. A real bootlicker.
The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn’t to Proton’s benefit to correct that.
It is called deception. All email providers in Switzerland have to follow Swiss Privacy laws.
This is no different than companies advertising licensed and bonded when every company legally has been licensed and bonded. Note that this practice of advertising what is required by law is actually illegal in a lot of places.
They sold a convenient lie and got rich doing so. Now we get to sit here on Lemmy and watch them try to justify another corporation shiting on them while they give them more money. The Proton defenders are a special kind of stupid.
Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton’s site. I can find ‘your privacy comes first’. I didn’t find ‘up to the extent of Swiss law’ yet.
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
Under the first one that mentions privacy ( Highest standards of privacy) it says:
Proton is incorporated and headquartered in Switzerland, meaning your data is protected by some of the world’s strictest privacy laws.
The entirety of their reasoning behind their claim of “Highest standards of privacy”, right on their main landing page is based on the limitations of Swiss Law and literally nothing else. It even contains a link to a blog post where they go into detail on how Swiss Law affects what they can and can’t do lol.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
I don’t find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
Why would I do that? My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed ‘your privacy came first’ without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law. It was not in their interest to explain that the Swiss courts can order them to track and shop French climate activists.
I don’t find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Here’s a screenshot
My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed ‘your privacy came first’ without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law.
Their marketing around privacy as it exists right now is extremely up front and detailed about the fact that it’s based on Swiss law. If you’re going to claim that at some point in time it didn’t, you’re going to have to show some kind of proof of that. I don’t recall any time in the last few years that they weren’t touting Swiss law as the very basis for their privacy claims.
Those who used it imagined Swiss law to be less intrusive? I suppose it sounds like a good idea to anyone, which is mostly everyone, who doesn’t know Swiss law.
Yeah, they rolled over to the authority, as expected. But, they sold themselves as “private”, not “private up to the extent of Swiss law, and our laws here are very intrusive, so really the private part isn’t going to get anyone very far if they use this service for anything slightly questionable, let alone outright illegal. You might as well be using GMail for how ‘private’ this thing is.”
Their service IS private. Their service is not anonymous, and they never claim it is. Privacy does not equal anonymity, and I wish you people would get that through your thick skulls and stop criticizing someone for doing the exact same thing you would do, in their position.
Nice, this proton apologist knows what everyone would do in their position.
yeah, I totally believe you would go to prison for a random person. in fact, all of us are stupid enough to believe that bullshit. so noble. so principled. a true paragon.
Originally the CEO said they would pack up and leave Switzerland if the government continued its course.
So apparently there is more than just one option.
Hey, I get it. When you put all your eggs in one basket you are committed. Personally I don’t commit to any corporation, especially ones that try to sell “privacy”.
it doesn’t matter if they intend on leaving the country, until they do they still have to fulfill any legal orders they get. they can’t get an order, then decide they won’t comply, and just leave the country. it would make them fugitives, wanted in any countries that have extradition treaties with their government. you’re not an idiot, even if you’re pretending to be in the hopes that I won’t point out the obvious stupidity in your argument. so why don’t you do us both a favor and stop doing your best impression.
Companies balk at legal orders all the time.
Listen, you are just wrong at this point and you keep digging yourself deeper looking more and more ridiculous.
Do you own stock in Proton or something or are you just a subscriber? Because your relentless fanboyism gets old quick.
says the one saying Proton should fuck themselves over to earn the goodwill of some random person on the internet with more idealism and ego than sense.
then I suppose it’s a good thing I don’t base my self worth on what you think of me, isn’t it? if you don’t like what I’m saying, too bad. I’m going to keep pointing out your irrational nonsense, and your choices are pretty limited at stopping me from doing that, aren’t they? you can give up and walk away, or block me, but either way, the person walking away from this with their tail between their legs is you. the only question you need to be asking is how much pie do you want on your face before that happens.
Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, etc have all refused court orders and no one went to prison. Your suggestion that Proton’s administration would be immediately held criminally responsible and locked up without a trial is extremely fucking bizarre.
You are the worst kind of fanboi, one without any logic or common sense. A real bootlicker.
The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn’t to Proton’s benefit to correct that.
It is called deception. All email providers in Switzerland have to follow Swiss Privacy laws.
This is no different than companies advertising licensed and bonded when every company legally has been licensed and bonded. Note that this practice of advertising what is required by law is actually illegal in a lot of places.
They sold a convenient lie and got rich doing so. Now we get to sit here on Lemmy and watch them try to justify another corporation shiting on them while they give them more money. The Proton defenders are a special kind of stupid.
No, they sold themselves as “private up to the extent of Swiss law”.
Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton’s site. I can find ‘your privacy comes first’. I didn’t find ‘up to the extent of Swiss law’ yet.
Here you go: https://proton.me/mail
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
Under the first one that mentions privacy ( Highest standards of privacy) it says:
The entirety of their reasoning behind their claim of “Highest standards of privacy”, right on their main landing page is based on the limitations of Swiss Law and literally nothing else. It even contains a link to a blog post where they go into detail on how Swiss Law affects what they can and can’t do lol.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
I don’t find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Why would I do that? My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed ‘your privacy came first’ without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law. It was not in their interest to explain that the Swiss courts can order them to track and shop French climate activists.
Here’s a screenshot
Their marketing around privacy as it exists right now is extremely up front and detailed about the fact that it’s based on Swiss law. If you’re going to claim that at some point in time it didn’t, you’re going to have to show some kind of proof of that. I don’t recall any time in the last few years that they weren’t touting Swiss law as the very basis for their privacy claims.