Because I don’t trust anecdotes from individuals. I’ve spoken with people that think Trump is a communist. I haven’t spoken to your friends, and I don’t know what specifically it is that you’re arguing, because you’ve been vague. I’ve been clear in stating that China isn’t committing genocide against Uyghurs or trying to push out ethnic minorities, and that’s true, but you’ve been far more vague about what it is that you’re trying to argue.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
Tourists go to Xinjiang all the time. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of course. I don’t know if you’ve been to Urumqi, or Xinjiang in general, but this is another way that we can see what’s actually going on.
The ideas pushed by the west, ie mass sterilization, an erasure of Uyghur culture and language, mass killings of Uyghurs, etc are nearly entirely devoid of evidence.
The west doesn’t care about the Chinese or muslims but we are supposed to believe they care about Chinese muslims. Please let me know how many countries with a minority (Uyghur muslims as the example here) population have their languages on their currency and actively promotes their culture significantly (like drawing in tourism), skyrocketing of HDI and then gets accused of whatever you are doing here.
The thing with the neither Washington nor Beijing schtick is that it is tantamount support of western atrocity propaganda; you want to believe Western lies as you have already decided on a hierarchy of human beings and denigrate those who stand against Western imperialism. If you know you have been lied to about every Western Designated Enemy since WWII but choose to believe current ones then you ain’t brainwashed, just bigoted.
You do realize that you can check the sources compiled by Qiao Collective, right? I also referenced the UN and PRC. The travel influencer bit was an addendum, not the core focus
Because I don’t trust anecdotes from individuals. I’ve spoken with people that think Trump is a communist. I haven’t spoken to your friends, and I don’t know what specifically it is that you’re arguing, because you’ve been vague. I’ve been clear in stating that China isn’t committing genocide against Uyghurs or trying to push out ethnic minorities, and that’s true, but you’ve been far more vague about what it is that you’re trying to argue.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists go to Xinjiang all the time. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of course. I don’t know if you’ve been to Urumqi, or Xinjiang in general, but this is another way that we can see what’s actually going on.
The ideas pushed by the west, ie mass sterilization, an erasure of Uyghur culture and language, mass killings of Uyghurs, etc are nearly entirely devoid of evidence.
[proceeds to trust some random patreon website and some youtube travel influencers…]
anyway. it was a fun afternoon of earning capitalist value tokens while pretending to add value at work… thanks all for the discussion
The west doesn’t care about the Chinese or muslims but we are supposed to believe they care about Chinese muslims. Please let me know how many countries with a minority (Uyghur muslims as the example here) population have their languages on their currency and actively promotes their culture significantly (like drawing in tourism), skyrocketing of HDI and then gets accused of whatever you are doing here.
The thing with the neither Washington nor Beijing schtick is that it is tantamount support of western atrocity propaganda; you want to believe Western lies as you have already decided on a hierarchy of human beings and denigrate those who stand against Western imperialism. If you know you have been lied to about every Western Designated Enemy since WWII but choose to believe current ones then you ain’t brainwashed, just bigoted.
You do realize that you can check the sources compiled by Qiao Collective, right? I also referenced the UN and PRC. The travel influencer bit was an addendum, not the core focus