geteilt von: https://lemmy.world/post/41163572
Both mods are also moderators of announcements@discuss.online; they are admins, this is their instance, and they are engaging in vote tampering to boost their instance and its communities over the rest of the fediverse.
jgrim@discuss.online m_f@discuss.online
Are these instance bans or community bans being handed out?
It clearly shows in the screenshot that they are community bans. From a tiny community with barely any users and frankly, barely any posts total, and on a fairly small instance to boot.
The call to fully defederate from the entire instance (see cross-post) for this is very much overblown - i.e. if anyone is getting their panties in a knot, it is OP, though I do not have sufficient information to comment on the community bannings (chiefly, if they were banning random downvoters vs. serial bot-like behaviors). My lengthy reply elsewhere.
That’s not quite how the mod-log seems to show data. If a user gets banned from discuss.online, the mod-log will instead just show the user being banned from every single discuss.online community they’ve ever posted on - hard-banning you from the instance and specific communities you’ve posted on. So if you had only posted to 1 community, it might look like a community ban. This also means that that you don’t get hard-banned from communities on said instance that you haven’t posted to, meaning you could effectively continue to post in them - except your content won’t federate. I pointed this out before here.
It’s a funky system.
That’s… highly odd, and unusual behavior. But even as you described it, I disagree then that it is an “instance ban”, if you can still post to Discuss.Online after being banned from those communities. It sounds rather like an over-active moderator of multiple communities who upon banning someone from one of them also bans them from the others. Which might be a PTB, though depends heavily on the facts of each case, since it is exceedingly well-known that there are in fact trolls on Lemmy who consistently attempt to evade bans by making new accounts.
Anyway, if it is an over-active mod, then just block them and switch to post in other communities? Bam, problem solved.
The concern here I guess is whether that mod inappropriately abused their admin powers, thereby escalating the situation from one to multiple communities up to the instance level. Although I did not see sufficient evidence to confidently assert the outcome there one way or another, especially given how things such as lemvotes and the (paid iirc) Boost 3rd party app exists so any mod could in theory do the same… right?
I went through 29 comments you made in the provided link - we really need an “expand all” or a “search through comments to this post” functionality:-).
That’s the thing. If you’re banned from an instance, you can still post to communities on that instance - they just won’t federate out. Only community bans hard-lock a user from being able to post to a community.
I’ll quote myself:
Wait… WHAT!? That’s SO much worse than shadow-banning, primarily because it is exactly shadow-banning, except it’s not, except it is. Lemmy really needs to move faster to fix these FOUNDATIONAL cracks involving (checks notes) “making posts to communities”. Is the issue at least fixed on the PieFed side?
The more time that passes, the more that I am laughing that lemmy.ml mods have been doing what OP claimed that the DO mods did since Lemmy started, but there
nobody bats an eyeno major instances seem to care, whereas here one person gets banned from a single instance and immediately out go the calls for full defederation of the entire instance, with most people calling him a PTB. Which might be the case, but the evidence presented is nowhere close to sufficient to demonstrate that, given rule #4 of that community.Btw I (hope that I) never claimed that lemmy.ml did not have the right to ban people who were not a fit for their communities - only that doing so for hidden reasons that are never written down anywhere is what makes them authoritarian. Which here those mods seemed to have done, with their rule #4? (It also makes them authoritarian to have done so without telling people, and I strongly hope that PieFed is not making that mistake as well - not shadow banning people is basically the primary claim to fame for Lemmy, other than the hope for something better in the future, which as the years drag on and the software remains just as if not more authoritarian than Reddit, the latter waxes mighty thin these days.)
Yes, I think so. I bought the attention to Rimu. Piefed - Piefed bans should function properly. Maybe I’ll make an alt to test this.
Dessalines did reply to me saying they plan to fix that in the eventual update.
Maybe in 10 years they will. Dessalines is far too busy wasting time constantly banning people for disagreeing with him or criticizing his favourite regimes instead of developing his platform. There’s a reason Piefed is overtaking Lemmy in development speed and quality.
That’s fantastic. It is likewise not ideal that a user blocking all people from an instance leaves open the possibility for those users to still comment… although Rimu explained to me over a year ago that would be the case, given that PieFed is interacting with Lemmy and Lemmy simply does not support the ability to block people who are not “blocked” in the traditional sense.
But now to find that Lemmy doesn’t even implement community blocks correctly, wow, just wow.
I’ve seen issue requests laying in wait for Lemmy for 5+ years, so excuse me if I have no faith in hearing that something will be fixed “eventually”. Ironically I have such great respect for those devs for making their sourcecode available free of charge, but also I’ve learned not to trust what they say as it often does not match up with reality (unless in a highly specific sense as in the *next" code release).
It actually makes a lot of sense: they write the software to function for Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and if anyone else wants to use it, that’s fine but it’s not their top priority at all. Which apart from their apologists across Lemmy, the devs themselves are fairly open about:
-Nutomic responding to a request for feature changes