The only one in this thread practicing denialism and revisionism is yourself, though, for the purposes of discrediting communists and communism in general.
Which of these claims do you think is closest to the truth, and which do you think communists are positing?
Claim A: 10,000 people were killed in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989
Claim B, Part 1: No, nobody died in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989.
Claim B, Part 2: Hundreds of people died around Beijing on June 4th, 1989, including dozens of PLA officers lynched and firebombed, as well as hundreds of rioters.
Keep in mind that in my view, as someone that speaks with communists all the time, I have only ever seen communists make Claim B, either in seperate comments or (usually) together.
I genuinely don’t know what you’re trying to achieve, here, are you trying to convince me or others? I clearly have done the research on this topic, and others can see that and the sources I’ve provided. All you’ve done is gesture, so I don’t see who that serves or to what end other than legitimizing me.
I feel like you’re more talking at me than to me, though. My goal is either to persuade you to see the communist stance on June 4th, 1989 as I see it, or to provide evidence for any onlookers that may initially agree with you but instead see the evidence I provide and reconsider.
This isn’t really a two-way conversation, though, you’ve dodged all attempts at me asking for evidence or even for concrete claims, while you’ve insulted me, slandered me, and more. I can only assume that that’s what you want, to belittle and undermine rather than have a constructive discussion.
I’ve stayed on topic the entire time, though. Where have I deflected? What information is “irrelevant?” If it appears that I’ve done so, I can only answer that it’s a symptom of me trying to respond to what you insist on remaining vague about.
I do get passionate when it comes to these things. It’s alarming and disheartening to see people’s lives just shrugged off and disrespected.
I don’t see anyone doing that, though. You keep asserting that we are, such as using the fact that Tank Man lived as a distraction from the hundreds that did die, but when given evidence to the contrary, such as how it’s intrinsically connected to the actual character of the events, including the hundreds that did die, you resort to insult rather than answering me honestly.
You are such a typical western chauvanist its actually crazy. You feel you know so much more and better than us subhuman brainwashed Chinese bugs and you just need to come save us the great white saviour to educate us on how terrible we and our government really are. You disgust me and the fact you pretend to be a communist while spitting on us is sick.
Incorrect. I like communists. I like communism. I don’t like denialism.
I would like to be more involved but I cannot in good conscience join any group that participates in denialism and revisionism.
The only one in this thread practicing denialism and revisionism is yourself, though, for the purposes of discrediting communists and communism in general.
Which of these claims do you think is closest to the truth, and which do you think communists are positing?
Claim A: 10,000 people were killed in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989
Claim B, Part 1: No, nobody died in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989.
Claim B, Part 2: Hundreds of people died around Beijing on June 4th, 1989, including dozens of PLA officers lynched and firebombed, as well as hundreds of rioters.
Keep in mind that in my view, as someone that speaks with communists all the time, I have only ever seen communists make Claim B, either in seperate comments or (usually) together.
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I genuinely don’t know what you’re trying to achieve, here, are you trying to convince me or others? I clearly have done the research on this topic, and others can see that and the sources I’ve provided. All you’ve done is gesture, so I don’t see who that serves or to what end other than legitimizing me.
I’m not trying to achieve anything other than having a discussion with you. Apparently that’s an unusual concept to you?
You’re the one who engaged me. You can’t complain about a conversation you started and continued.
I feel like you’re more talking at me than to me, though. My goal is either to persuade you to see the communist stance on June 4th, 1989 as I see it, or to provide evidence for any onlookers that may initially agree with you but instead see the evidence I provide and reconsider.
This isn’t really a two-way conversation, though, you’ve dodged all attempts at me asking for evidence or even for concrete claims, while you’ve insulted me, slandered me, and more. I can only assume that that’s what you want, to belittle and undermine rather than have a constructive discussion.
You’ve refused to stay on topic and deflected at every turn with irrelevant information. That’s not a “constructive conversation” either.
I do get passionate when it comes to these things. It’s alarming and disheartening to see people’s lives just shrugged off and disrespected.
I do apologize for getting feisty at you.
I’ve stayed on topic the entire time, though. Where have I deflected? What information is “irrelevant?” If it appears that I’ve done so, I can only answer that it’s a symptom of me trying to respond to what you insist on remaining vague about.
I don’t see anyone doing that, though. You keep asserting that we are, such as using the fact that Tank Man lived as a distraction from the hundreds that did die, but when given evidence to the contrary, such as how it’s intrinsically connected to the actual character of the events, including the hundreds that did die, you resort to insult rather than answering me honestly.
Accepted, thank you.
Good night. Going to bed now.
You are such a typical western chauvanist its actually crazy. You feel you know so much more and better than us subhuman brainwashed Chinese bugs and you just need to come save us the great white saviour to educate us on how terrible we and our government really are. You disgust me and the fact you pretend to be a communist while spitting on us is sick.