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Declaring ‘This thing <always the thing that is not being done> is the only thing that can work, what you are suggesting is stupid/won’t work/pointless’
This message is just: “Give up, Give up, Give up” with more grammatical complexity.
Do you want to be one step closer to fascism or one step further away? Actively attempting to discourage people makes me think it is the former.
How you going to make the argument that maintaining capitalism takes you further away from fascism? Capitalism is fascism. They’re intrinsically linked. The latter is the end result of the former.
Yes capitalism’s end state is a monopoly on power, aka a fascist dictatorship. I never made an argument stating otherwise.
Ending Anti-Circumvention is taking power away from capitalists. They can no longer send the law to lock you in jail because you edited the firmware of a device that you own. That’s a move in the opposite direction of capitalism.
I am a leftist and I am advocating, as always, for solidarity across the working class, unionizing, getting organized, and participating in direct action. I encourage collective acts of sabotage and resistance against the authoritarian regime.
You can believe in false hope, or accept the reality of your situation and work towards goals which actually have a chance of succeeding, it’s up to you.
Edit: To get involved in a real action that might actually improve our situation, join the IWW.
They exist in several countries but are most active in the US, the UK, Canada, Oceania, and Europe. Which is still, indeed, a disproportionately problematic but still relatively small part of the world, but also probably most of the userbase of Lemmy
I’m a psychic reindeer in Santa’s sleigh team and I always tell the truth or my nose grows 6 inches so you know that I’m not lying. We can be anything that we want to be on the Internet, it only takes a few twitches of the finger (or output vector, in most cases).
There’s been a lot of ‘Fellow Leftists’ showing up on Lemmy recently and they all of the newcomers seem to be attempting to foment political violence and discourage real people from any other plans that they may be forming.
The topic of the post is about some concrete action that is being suggested to improve the situation and your comment is ‘Nah fellow leftists, lets go do some sabotage and resistance instead’. No details or the suggestion of an actual proposed series of steps to be taken, just a general push in the direction of political violence with smidgeon of ‘Your idea is dumb’.
Now, to me, I think that we don’t need that kind of person/bot in this community. If you want to be a person of action, then live up to your dreams in your own life.
You’re in a social media space that we know is being monitored in an attempt to locate dissenters so that the administration can slap the ‘terrorist’ label on them. This is something anybody who is even remotely active in this space will understand.
So, it immediately stands out as fake when someone claims to be and old veteran leftist (look at the account age and comments, no way to fake that guys!) and also thinks that spreading violent rhetoric on public social media is the move. The only people talking about violence on social media are soon to be imprisoned naive idiots and the bots/agents that influence them.
Yeah, you got me, clearly the only way that someone could disagree with you, is because they’re a fake bot shill with a fake account history because that’s the only plausible reality in which you could be wrong about something.
There’s definitely no way that I spent hours last week arguing against violence in a leftist memes community, because I am clearly a bot.
I don’t know, it sounds like a pretty convincing argument to me.
It’s a strange take to say “you’re wasting your time trying to get legislation passed” I mean, that’s one of the primary ways you change anything in a country…
And it’s plain stupid to say the only solution to a problem is the “complete abolition of capitalism” and then the next moment, suggest someone else is asking the impossible by trying to get some minor policy changed… That’s just bonkers. I mean, that simply destroys your credibility for the rest of the conversation, it’s gone.
Yeah, and I spent the last week ice skating on Europa and coaching the Bears to victory.
You can’t appeal to your own authority on the Internet, we’re all anonymous strangers who may as well have just popped into existence 15 seconds ago (in some cases, very literally).
Don’t push ideas that look like they’re suggesting violence, if you’re on my side on that idea then you’ll have no trouble with my position of ‘violence bad’ even if it hurt your feelings a little bit.
I’m not appealing to authority at all, I was just explaining that I was a leftist because your comment seemed to suggest I was encouraging people to “give up”, which is the exact opposite of what I want. I want people to get involved in direct action, civil resistance, and yes, acts of sabotage against the regime.
I am firmly of the opinion that violence never makes anything better, but I completely understand why people, even leftists, advocate for violence. I don’t think they’re fake, or bots, I just think they are leftists who have been socialised in our mainstream media environment which teaches us that violence is a solution to our problems.
I think your response was a bit silly, and jumped to a lot of conclusions, but it didn’t hurt my feelings. I want to continue to reiterate that reforms to capitalism merely prolong it, and misuses the energy of activists which could be far better spent on actually unionizing, organizing, building solidarity, and direct action.
Declaring ‘This thing <always the thing that is not being done> is the only thing that can work, what you are suggesting is stupid/won’t work/pointless’
This message is just: “Give up, Give up, Give up” with more grammatical complexity.
Do you want to be one step closer to fascism or one step further away? Actively attempting to discourage people makes me think it is the former.
How you going to make the argument that maintaining capitalism takes you further away from fascism? Capitalism is fascism. They’re intrinsically linked. The latter is the end result of the former.
Yes capitalism’s end state is a monopoly on power, aka a fascist dictatorship. I never made an argument stating otherwise.
Ending Anti-Circumvention is taking power away from capitalists. They can no longer send the law to lock you in jail because you edited the firmware of a device that you own. That’s a move in the opposite direction of capitalism.
I am a leftist and I am advocating, as always, for solidarity across the working class, unionizing, getting organized, and participating in direct action. I encourage collective acts of sabotage and resistance against the authoritarian regime.
You can believe in false hope, or accept the reality of your situation and work towards goals which actually have a chance of succeeding, it’s up to you.
Edit: To get involved in a real action that might actually improve our situation, join the IWW.
your Industrial Workers of the World only seems to exist in the USA; a disproportionately problematic but still relatively small part of the world.
They exist in several countries but are most active in the US, the UK, Canada, Oceania, and Europe. Which is still, indeed, a disproportionately problematic but still relatively small part of the world, but also probably most of the userbase of Lemmy
A fair response. Just couldn’t see anything except US references when I looked at the site.
I’m a psychic reindeer in Santa’s sleigh team and I always tell the truth or my nose grows 6 inches so you know that I’m not lying. We can be anything that we want to be on the Internet, it only takes a few twitches of the finger (or output vector, in most cases).
There’s been a lot of ‘Fellow Leftists’ showing up on Lemmy recently and they all of the newcomers seem to be attempting to foment political violence and discourage real people from any other plans that they may be forming.
The topic of the post is about some concrete action that is being suggested to improve the situation and your comment is ‘Nah fellow leftists, lets go do some sabotage and resistance instead’. No details or the suggestion of an actual proposed series of steps to be taken, just a general push in the direction of political violence with smidgeon of ‘Your idea is dumb’.
Now, to me, I think that we don’t need that kind of person/bot in this community. If you want to be a person of action, then live up to your dreams in your own life.
You’re in a social media space that we know is being monitored in an attempt to locate dissenters so that the administration can slap the ‘terrorist’ label on them. This is something anybody who is even remotely active in this space will understand.
So, it immediately stands out as fake when someone claims to be and old veteran leftist (look at the account age and comments, no way to fake that guys!) and also thinks that spreading violent rhetoric on public social media is the move. The only people talking about violence on social media are soon to be imprisoned naive idiots and the bots/agents that influence them.
Nobody take this bait.
Yeah, you got me, clearly the only way that someone could disagree with you, is because they’re a fake bot shill with a fake account history because that’s the only plausible reality in which you could be wrong about something.
There’s definitely no way that I spent hours last week arguing against violence in a leftist memes community, because I am clearly a bot.
Give me a break.
I don’t know, it sounds like a pretty convincing argument to me.
It’s a strange take to say “you’re wasting your time trying to get legislation passed” I mean, that’s one of the primary ways you change anything in a country…
And it’s plain stupid to say the only solution to a problem is the “complete abolition of capitalism” and then the next moment, suggest someone else is asking the impossible by trying to get some minor policy changed… That’s just bonkers. I mean, that simply destroys your credibility for the rest of the conversation, it’s gone.
Yeah, and I spent the last week ice skating on Europa and coaching the Bears to victory.
You can’t appeal to your own authority on the Internet, we’re all anonymous strangers who may as well have just popped into existence 15 seconds ago (in some cases, very literally).
Don’t push ideas that look like they’re suggesting violence, if you’re on my side on that idea then you’ll have no trouble with my position of ‘violence bad’ even if it hurt your feelings a little bit.
I’m not appealing to authority at all, I was just explaining that I was a leftist because your comment seemed to suggest I was encouraging people to “give up”, which is the exact opposite of what I want. I want people to get involved in direct action, civil resistance, and yes, acts of sabotage against the regime.
I am firmly of the opinion that violence never makes anything better, but I completely understand why people, even leftists, advocate for violence. I don’t think they’re fake, or bots, I just think they are leftists who have been socialised in our mainstream media environment which teaches us that violence is a solution to our problems.
I think your response was a bit silly, and jumped to a lot of conclusions, but it didn’t hurt my feelings. I want to continue to reiterate that reforms to capitalism merely prolong it, and misuses the energy of activists which could be far better spent on actually unionizing, organizing, building solidarity, and direct action.