Greenland’s prime minister has said “we choose Denmark” before high-stakes talks at the White House as Donald Trump seeks to take control of the Arctic territory.
Amid rising tensions over the US president’s push, Jens-Frederik Nielsen on Tuesday told a joint press conference with his Danish counterpart, Mette Frederiksen, that the island would not be owned or governed by Washington.
“We are now facing a geopolitical crisis. If we have to choose between the US and Denmark here and now, we choose Denmark, Nato and the EU,” Nielsen said, adding that the island’s “goal and desire is peaceful dialogue, with a focus on cooperation”.Trump’s pursuit of the island was also a matter of “international law and our right to our own country”, he said.
Calling it now. But, European politicians are so incredibly subservient to America. They will literally “give” Greenland to America before they dissolve NATO.
Or, America will just invade, and they’ll basically treat it like it didn’t happen. They’ll condemn it on paper. Say things like “this really puts into question blah blah blah” but they’ll literally take no material action against it. At best they have some meaningless vote in the UN about it that does nothing.
Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at “bad thing” and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the “moral high ground”.
You guys should be burning down your cities if America takes Greenland and Europe does nothing. Your politicians are cowards just like ours are. Don’t expect them to do anything to resist.
I think the generally unspoken hope is that democracy in the US is not completely fucked and that the transition to full-on fascism can still be reverted after Trump’s political or physical death (both of which seem ever so close).
You went too far here. Europe is weak (because it’s divided, because EU was never meant to be “strong” and always relied on soft power, because it has to fight all the same enemies as US does) but it’s definitely not on the same team as US. Like, not even close. So far EU is keeping the moral high ground for example by respecting it’s citizens rights. Some member countries are worse then others but as a whole EU is still far away from becoming an autocratic hellhole the US is.
Chat control doesn’t sound very much like respecting citizen’s rights
Oh shit, does that mean Europeans will get shot in the face now too? You know, to control their chatting. Like in the USA, if you say “I’m not mad at you”, you get shot in the face.
Yeah, chat control is not great, but is FAR FAR FAR from what’s happening in the Fascist States of America.
It didn’t start with people getting shot in the face. Chat control is a big step in that direction.
You all are fighting on who’s riding the biggest turd boat into the sea and you’re both making find points :)
The US is putting Nazi slogans on the government speech podiums and trying to annex countries that are too weak to put up a fight.
The EU is trying to remove private communication.
I think the US is a about 11:59 on the doomsday clock, the EU is about 10:45
We’re both mostly fucked, the EU has more time to turn around, but that’s not likely either.
Which part of it? I read the legislation and I think it does respect citizen’s rights. Which paragraphs do you find problematic?
Perhaps the entire idea that the government can spy on all your communications?
You have to be talking about some different Chat Control because the one I read doesn’t allow anything like that. At least I think it doesn’t. Can you point me to the specific part that covers it? Maybe I missed it.
But seriously, I can see you read some scary headlines that have nothing to do with reality. Of course you’re not going to read the legislation yourself and hearing it form some random guy on lemmy will not change your mind because you read it on some random blog so it has to be true but for anyone interested, the proposed law specifically says that “the regulation shall not prohibit, make impossible, weaken, circumvent or otherwise undermine cybersecurity measures, in particular encryption, including end-to-end encryption”.
OK, first off, fuck you and your smug-ass tone.
It seems that last year the legislation was amended and it removed the requirement that providers scan all messages and added the part that you quoted at the end. But it would require age verification which is something else of which I am opposed to the very idea.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/after-years-controversy-eus-chat-control-nears-its-final-hurdle-what-know
So you just said something 100% wrong and then doubled down on it despite not knowing much about it but the problem is that I’m smug… Yeah…
Age verification would be only required for services that are considered high risk for grooming and would have to be done in a way that preserves privacy and all the rights guaranteed by GDPR regulation. It’s still just a proposal, nothing was approved. Personally I don’t like it but I see it as a reasonable compromise for a regulation aimed at protecting children. Other than that we can simply ignore the issue and do nothing. And I do hope nothing will be done but since they were working on a law that was supposed to do something it’s normal they come up with something like that. Taking this is saying “EU doesn’t respect citizen’s rights” is in best case ignorant, in worst misinformation.
I think that’s called “appeasement.” It’s worked great throughout history.
I can’t think of a single time that appeasement backfired!
Obviously /s
It upsets me so much, but this is how Switzerland survived WW2 unscathed. Of course many Swiss have the same reaction now with fascist America.
Switzerland wasn’t as neutral as people think. They were the bank of the Nazis.
I thought Switzerland survived world war II by killing the Nazis as they invaded
Seriously? Did you read any history books? I guess you’re American. They don’t teach real history in the Fascist States of America, which explains all their delusional views and deep love for Nazis and Hitler.
Swiss allowed and catered to Nazis, kept their gold and money safe and cooperated with them throughout.
Nope, they weren’t attacked and just let everything burn around them while providing services to the nazis
Yeah they hid the gold and artwork in their vaults for them.
Ah I see NATO subscribes to the Democratic playbook too.
You do realize that the US delegates so much of its arctic capabilities to the scandinavian countries in NATO that it would be a balanced fight at least in the beginning, right?
Given America’s obvious advantages with the scale of its military resources, I thought that the fight would be easy too, but after thinking about it I’m not so sure. War is not simply a matter of having advanced weapons and lots of units.
Considering how retarded Trump’s administration is and how demoralised the most professional and loyal military personnel are, combined with civil unrest domestically… I don’t think Trump can execute a successful invasion of another country without losing everything. More competent administrations (barely more*) have started wars and it cost them dearly in the ballot box.
You can have the best jets and ships and missiles, but if the personnel operating them think you are a pedophile and a traitor, giving illegal orders through a compromised chain of command… how effective do you think they will be in a theater of war?
Let’s hope we never find out.
We can insult the regime without restoring to abelist slurs.
I mean you just need to look at all the wars the USA has lost against much weaker countries. Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, just to mention a few.
And the only wars they actually won in the more modern times were with the help of EU NATO allies.
They can’t do shit on their own. They’re only good at “strike and run away” operations, like the one in Venezuela.
How is that AT ALL relevant to what I said? Why are you discussing something that will literally never happen? The capitalist that own America also own Europe. That’s why your politicians are such subservient losers just like ours are. They are owned by the same interests. They’re just consolidating that ownership and making the lines clear. That’s all the Greenland play is. It’s to put your politicians in their place and ensuring they bend the knee to the fascist powers.
Those same capitalists writing GDPR and Digital services act both in EU and US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
If the EU would care they would use Mastodon and not X.
GDPR made it more difficult to create a commercial competitor for X and Facebook.
i think they do have a Mastodon instance.
They don’t use it like they use X.
sure, but it does exist and they do use it.
everyone needs to get off of X and that platform should be banned. but these things are always slow to happen, for better and worse.
If the EU made an efford and their entire cloud would move, including everybody who receives funding from the EU, then it wouldn’t take time.
Just don’t talk like you have a crystal ball, you people with your pseudointellectual cynicism have been very wrong before, multiple times.
So you think that there would be actual armed resistance to American invasion of Greenland? Like, I want to be clear. You’re that dumb?
I’m sorry. I write my comments for people with some form of intelligence. When I said “America just invades” I wrote that with the assumption that my reader had at least a minimal understanding of geopolitics. That this would just be literal a symbolic lowering and raising of the flag. Because no one is gonna die for Greenland mate.
Are you? Are you gonna volunteer? Go ask any European that same question. Ask them if they want to go defend Greenland and die for it.
I didn’t think there would actually be someone dumb enough to think there would be any meaningful form of armed conflict.
I don’t think there’s a need to be this condescending.
When Russia started the big invasion of Ukraine, the first thing I said in the morning was “fuck”. The second was “well, at least it will be over in a couple of days”. Because of course it will be, Russia is 4 times the population, has a bigger industrial base, a significant technological advantage, a giant land border with plenty of logistical connections, and nobody has given Ukraine any material support during the Crimea thing. And yet we’re coming up to the end of the fourth year of war with no end in sight for now. Plenty of europeans volunteered to help, some of them were nazis who wanted to kill russians, for sure, but not all of them.
And remember that Ukraine was barely considered Europe at that point, it’s still not in the EU or NATO.
So while I also think the most likely outcome is either a “sale” of some kind, or a bloodless 1-day “special military operation” and strong-worded letters, I won’t dismiss other possibilities straight out of the gate.
It will definitely speed up Europe’s decoupling from the US, and the only viable alternative partner is China, which would be a massive win for European communist and socialist parties. In the long term it will also speed up the destruction of the US empire’s power, which is a massive win for proletariat everywhere.
But afterwards. Ukraine was prepared.
This won’t happen. Ukraine happened to split Europe from Russia.
China would make Europe reconcile with Russia.
The US won’t take Greenland if the EU would turn to China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Greenland also has plenty of guns, the natives are very accustomed to cold and snow, and the people there increasingly hate the US. The logistics would also be difficult for the US because they don’t have a land border. If Greenlanders decide to fight back, and Europe backs them up even the same amount as Ukraine, it might be a long and bloody affair for the US. You don’t actually need advanced military tech to fight imperialist invaders from afar on your home turf, look at Vietnam.
China is not some staunch ally of Russia, I can see why that connection is usually made, but it’s just not true. They are simply non-interventionist and will trade with whoever trades with them. China refuses to sell most military equipment or dual-use commodities to Russia, and they are Ukraine’s biggest trade partner.
Allying with China is the most logical thing for the EU as a whole to do right now. They are a predictable, reasonable, stable partner with a huge industrial base. They are also leading the world in fossil fuel alternatives for energy generation, which is urgently needed to fix the climate crisis, and is especially poignant for Europe because it needs to shake off the dependency on Russian gas.
The only reason it’s not happening right now is that EU oligarchs are scared shitless of actual socialism, because they correctly surmise that it will be the end of their dictatorship on people. US is already doing their best to force their hand, let’s hope it hastens their demise.
With the current fascists in charge I’m not so sure. They think they can replace soft, economic imperialism with sheer military might, this is what is being said verbatim by Miller and implicitly by Trump, and all their other actions point to it as well. I hope it backfires badly.
Think it through. Greenland has nowhere to hide, no way to deliver weapons and only 60,000 inhabitants.
Why would you believe anything at face value during times of hybrid war?
The US have one objective: contain China.